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    Russian officials continue to accuse Ukraine of committing genocide. On Monday, Russia repeated allegations that the “Russophobic and neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv” was using the United Nations’ 1948 Genocide Convention, to which both countries are a party, as a pretext to “drag” a case before the court.

    This strategy of accusing the other side of exactly what you’re doing is so blatantly obnoxious. This sounds the exact same as “Black Lives Matters was the real insurrection”

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          So, you believe that all Russians in the Ukraine need to be forcibly removed or turned into fertilizer? Just to be clear. Because that would be a genocide.

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              There are millions of Russians in the Donbass and Crimea whose families have lived there for hundreds of years. They are the ones being genocided.

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                Supressing an armed insurrection which is supported by a foreign power is not genocide. The world turned a blind eye on the secession of Donbass and Crimea until Russia decided to use them to annex the rest of the country. These Russian sattelite "states"can continue to exist as a part of Ukraine. Once again, go home vatnik, you have no power here.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Kyiv argues Russia is abusing international law by saying the invasion was justified to prevent an alleged genocide in eastern Ukraine.

    On Monday, Russia repeated allegations that the “Russophobic and neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv” was using the United Nations’ 1948 Genocide Convention, to which both countries are a party, as a pretext to “drag” a case before the court.

    The convention defines genocide as crimes committed “with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.”

    Kuzmin concluded that “Ukraine’s legal position is hopelessly flawed and at odds with the long standing jurisprudence of this court” and called on the judges to dismiss the case.

    Ukraine has already cleared one hurdle as the court decided in its favour in a preliminary decision in the case in March last year.

    Russia has so far ignored the ICJ’s orders to stop its military actions and the court has no way of enforcing its decisions but experts say they may have implications for compensation payments after the war.


    The original article contains 471 words, the summary contains 173 words. Saved 63%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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      What?

      Russia tried to say they preemptively invaded Ukraine because Ukraine was going to invade Russia and commit genocide…

      Ukraine obviously said that was bullshit.

      I’d ask what the fuck you were thinking, but I already looked at your account and saw you mod a knockoff of Political Compass memes…

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        What? Russia made those claims sure. Ukraine is making the argument that even if this claim was true they wouldn’t be allowed to invade Ukraine which honestly I really really FUCKING don’t like as a claim. The only purpose of this entire thing is just to get better settlement in the peace settlement after the war. It’s honestly a really EHH situation to me that doesn’t show much.

        Also why are you bringing PCM into it at all PCM was pro-Ukraine as far as I remember?

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          … isn’t Ukraine making these claims because Russia has been deporting trainloads of Ukrainian to Siberia and replacing them with Russian citizens? We saw this on Crimea in particular when all the residents were so desperate to leave last year.

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            This case as a whole was brought to bear a few days after February 24th (the start of the “non-proxy war”) and thus the overall claims would not be in regards to them but just originally about the justification.

            But the argument being talked about in the post that Ukraine is using is that even if they were committing a genocide that Russias war would still be invalid and Russia should pull out of the country.

            Like these arguments really don’t relate to that situation…