• randomperson@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The less wagnerites operating on Ukrainian soil the better. The less wagnerites helping illegal migrants to cross Polish-Belarusian border the better. The less wagnerites the better.

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      1 year ago

      Fuck wagner but also fuck the polish border guards for murdering migrants.

      I dont give a fuck if they’re considered “legal” or not - they deserve to be treated like refugees not like a political pawn for both sides.

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          1 year ago

          Just because they aren’t “hunting them down” doesn’t mean they aren’t responsible for their deaths. They have killed them by way of pushbacks, keeping them in the cold and stopping volunteers from helping them. Hundreds have died and have not been recorded while they wash their hands of this abuse.

          Poland’s government is extremely racist and xenophobic and used the migrants as an easy way to rile up its supporters, while portraining them as “lukashenka’s hordes”.

          Just because something doesn’t ally with NATO narrative doesn’t mean it’s disinformation.

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            Where is the data supporting your comment “hundred have died”? Open to read more about this.

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              Like I said, these deaths are not being recorded. Do you know what a pushback is? It’s by definition illegal, so there won’t be any records. Also the deaths happen on the belarussian side of the border, which is even worse with keeping track of anything.

              The whole polish side of border has been cordoned off by the army for over two years now, they harass and stop journalists and volunteers from accessing the border. There will never be any data.

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              EDIT: so many downvotes. Either people don’t want to hear the truth or its NAFO brigading again.

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        I totally agree. Human lives are human lives. People trying to escape abuse for a better life are just as innocent as anyone else.

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        Exactly. Poland itself is pretty damn far-right, and while they might be helping Ukraine and Ukrainians, this doesn’t mean their government is not borderline fascist. Someone else below (@TimeNaan@lemmy.world) provided this link documenting some severe human rights abuses against lots of migrants (some of these are also from the Belarus side too, it’s not just Poland).

        Any situation in which a state denies access to people watching for such abuses - like this - is one that sends immediate and severe warning signs to me. Combined with the other stuff going on around LGBT+ free zones, well, it’s worrying imo >.<

        Some of this stuff is even worse than what I’ve heard of the US/Mexico border, though it’s all pretty horrific.

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          Thank you. It’s nice to see someone who can see through the bias. Human rights are for everyone, not just EU residents.

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        I don’t give a fuck about your considerations either. Our border our rules. Also lol’d at “killing”. If anyone died there it was because of their own stupidity of trying to cross it from Belarus which isn’t a war torn country but they didn’t want safety but rather monies from western Europe.