Hongkonger here: Although Cantonese is pretty alive and well in Hong Kong, it’s pretty clear that the Government is being pressured by the mainland to promote Mandarin. It is commonly taught in schools and the Government promotes “trilingualism and biliteracy”. Cantonese and Mandarin are both written in the same script (Hanzi), and the third language/second script is English. It’s pretty clear that not all three languages get equal treatment though. English is not that heavily emphasized but most schoolchildren will learn it anyway because they want to watch American movies and enjoy American meme culture (this is not a joke). Parents also want their children to be trilingual and biliterate for economic reasons. Hong Kong is a city that revolves around money and it’s very common for business to be conducted internationally in English. That doesn’t mean that Mandarin is doing well in HK though. Hongkongers have a very negative perception of mainlanders for being “uneducated” and Mandarin is associated with mainlanders. I can’t describe it as “racism” since everyone involved is the same race, but Hongkongers think mainlanders spit in the street, smoke in lavatories and don’t know how to sort recycling from rubbish. Doesn’t help that most of these stereotypes are to some extent, true.

all of this, 100%>

Cantonese is also alive and well outside of China. Most Chinese immigrant communities in Europe and South East Asia speak Cantonese. The PRC will never be able to erase the Cantonese language.

We’re still pretty early, a decade now, with their efforts to eliminate the Hong Kong culture here. Might not be looking like it’s taking a foothold but we’re not even a generation into this and it does seem they’re really focusing on the next generation.

I mean HK is still losing people emigration, heck half my family has moved since the take over, and it seems that people are still leaving at a pretty good click and that exidous will only make things easier for them to get the language.

I don’t know, I’m still an outsider looking in but all the things I see and hear doesn’t point to a great conclusion, though I hope I’m wrong since it’s like to visit again someday and hear and speak Cantonese.

schoolchildren will learn it anyway because they want to watch American movies and enjoy American meme culture

This doesn’t surprise me but I had a lot of American friends who were into manga and Japanese culture enough to learn some of the language.

to be fair, America also has 2 million people in jail & 100 million with arrest records. we are not too far from a police state

Well, the FBI has been treating the citizens of supposed “sovereign nations” pretty badly the entire time. We still are shitty to the Native Americans. That being said, just cause the US is shitty, doesn’t absolve the CCP of their shitty behavior.

(Let me preface this comment with the fact I oppose what the Chinese and Russian government are doing)

Is this a joke? The US tell people in Hawaii and Puerto Rico they belong to them and still do terrible shot to Indigenous people and try their best to erase their languages and cultures. They also invaded and killed how many innocent people in the middle east?

They continue to support Saudi Arabia with weapons and billions of dollars, they support the genocide and apartheid of Palestinians, they continue trying to starve Cubans with their sanctions and blockade…

The Chinese government is doing fucked up shit but its absurd to think the US government hasn’t been committing atrocities for decades. Also, the Uyghur people being forced to work are making also making products like Nike. Nestle privatizes water and spreads propaganda so women stop breastfeeding to sell their powdered milk and Chiquita Banana committed massacres in Columbia in the 2000s…

Now the US is contemplating invading Mexico to “stop” the drugs from the cartels the US funds and arms by buying their products and selling guns they know will go to shady people. Also the US was flooding crack into Black communities to fund illegal wars and bombed a house in a Black community and assassinated almost all the civil rights leaders…

And “as a European” maybe you should read about all the fucked up stuff France has done and continues to do and why so many countries in Africa are ousting leaders and hate France. Or read about why Haiti is in the position they’re in. Or read about all the racist and fascist shit going on in Italy, or what Spain is doing to Catalonia and trying to do to the Catalonian language. Or read about the racist remarks the foreign policy chief of the EU said about how europe is a “garden” and the rest of the world is a “jungle” that could invade… The rest of the world is mostly in the positions they are in because of what Europeans have done in history.

Can we differentiate between the people and the state or government here? I don’t want the us to bomb anyone because there’s no way it doesn’t hurt innocent people.

I wish power to the people of both China, Russia, Hong Kong to be able to influence their political climate in a way that works best for their actual health and well-being.

Your argumentation is similar to that of tankies. The US undeniably did shady shit to maintain hegemony over the last century and the whole past 911 thing was an unreasonable fiasco that cost the lives of over a million people.
It’s just that autocracy is no alternative in any form and it’s the biggest enemy of a free world.

Hexbear is the one I’ve seen acting out most recently to the point I just block any community I see from them

Lol was just thinking the same thing.

Are the tankies in the room with you right now?

You can read about china and the belt road initiative and its influence around the world, you can read about China and what it’s doing around the South China Sea (tangentially the impacts on south east asia)

You can read about Chinese business principles such as guanxi and something called the bamboo network which is the term for overseas Chinese network

You can also read about china and their investment in mexico to surpass us tariffs