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    If Ukraine had initially launched an attack on Russia and killed 1,200 mainlycivilians, taken 200+ hostages and thrown in a bit of organised gang rape, I doubt Ukraine would be receiving its current level of support, and there may even have been some support for retaliatory action by Russia.

    That’s not to say that Israel’s current appalling treatment of Palestinian civilians is justified

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      Except it wasn’t Palestine that attacked, it was a group disassociated with the Palestinian Authority, that Israel itself funds so it can justify the “war” to favor the arms dealers and distract the constituents of the terrible administration they’re receiving.

      The two conflicts are not even remotely comparable.

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            Given that I was replying to a message drawing equivalence, you’ll see that I was saying that they weren’t really equivalent, in that Ukraine hadn’t mounted an attack on Russian civilians. Hope that helps.

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      It’s crazy. On reddit, it’s 90%

      Let’s ignore how many people israel has killed, they need to kill more, and let’s also go ahead an label everyone who says “too much” a hamas supporter

      Then you go here and it’s again 90%

      Let’s not even call hamas terrorist, more like freedom-fighters with some friendly rape and friendly fire thrown in.

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        You are describing r/Worldnews not other Reddit subs.

        And Lemmy has been 50-50, with very little actual personal attacking.

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          Worldnews mods are clearly fascist. They banned me for being skeptical of IDF sources

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            If it makes you feel any better, I got banned for my first and only comment there (not even a post) which was a link and an explanation of the high credentials of the author. Like this…

            https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

            Hersh first gained recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting.

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          I do not visit worldnews. This description fits to both /r/europe and /r/de.

          And regarding lemmy, maybe on other instances, but I’m only on beehaw.

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            Haven’t visited those subs.

            I might be describing beehaw rather than other Lemmy instances. That was why I joined beehaw, because it promised civility.

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          what do u mean 50-50? give me one thread here that isn’t anti Israel and with massive upvote/downvote ratio

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              Not moving the goalposts but I meant Lemmy in general, not beehaw, cause no downvotes

              But I admit you supplied a link to my request. I stand.partially informed

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                Ah, so only beehaw prohibits downvotes, not other Lemmy instances. TIL.

                I guess even what I showed you may have gone negative if downvotes were allowed. The person I was arguing with wasn’t being nasty about it, just incredibly obstinate.

                I worry about a return to Nazi style anti-semitism (though I hate Likud) which the polarized discussions are leading us towards. It is arrogant to think it could never happen again.

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                  Some Lemmy instances have downvotes, some don’t. It varies by instance. I think most instances have/allow downvotes. Beehaw & Blahaj are two bigger ones that don’t that I can think of off of the top of my head.

                  Also agreed with your last bit. I’m nervous about it, too. I wish people would just be decent and… not suck, lol.

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        I don’t agree with this characterization at all.

        Here in the fediverse there are many people with opinions similar to mine, i.e we are on the side of civillians, not any of the belligerents in this hellscape of war crimes.