• catloaf@lemm.ee
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    5 months ago

    conducted by the University Network for Human Rights, the International Human Rights Clinic at Boston University School of Law, the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School

    So yeah, big names there. I’m not hopeful about it changing Biden’s mind, though.

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      5 months ago

      Yeah, like being affiliated to universities is some kind of stamp of trustworthiness at this point… After the pro-Hamas protests that took place in said universities, and the persecution of Jewish students who were basically blocked from attending school.

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        5 months ago

        Are you under the bizarre impression that the people who conducted this study were the same people you’re saying persecuted Jewish students?

        If so, do you have any evidence for that?

        Because those universities have hundreds of faculty members at a minimum and thousands of students.

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          But I know what’s the dominant doctrine in western universities related to the Israel/Hamas war. They’re mostly pro-Hamas. I know there are students that don’t condone this worldview, but they’re strongly penalized by peer pressure and institutional pressure (try being pro-Israel knowing your professor is pro-Hamas… Your grades will surely be affected negatively). When there’s incidents of students suffering antisemitism, the administration of those universities have shown they’re extremely lax on the perpetrators. It’s a systemic failure in respecting different worldviews, because there’s an “official” one already.

          That’s why I’m saying these universities have lost a lot of credibility regarding anything related to this Israel/Hamas conflict, given the pro-Hamas protests occuring in university grounds, and the lack of any condemnation by faculty staff.

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            5 months ago

            They’re mostly pro-Hamas.

            That is a lie. Almost no one is pro-Hamas. What they are is people who are against Palestinian genocide and want Palestinian independence.

            Or are you making the bigoted claim that Hamas and Palestinian are synonyms?

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              When they chant “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free”, what do you think they want? Israel is located between said river and sea, so they want to exterminate all Israeli so the land is all theirs. The extermination of all Jews is codified in written form in the Hamas Constitution.

              If there are people there who only want to advocate for the Two State Solution for Israel/Palestine, that’s a fair point to make. But when these people, knowingly or unknowingly, mix themselves with people that carry Hamas flags and chant “from the river to the sea”, then they’re either useful idiots, or they’re pro-Hamas while using the pro-Palestine cause as a cop out.

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                  No. What I’m saying is that the pro-Palestine protesters in the western countries are, knowingly or unknowingly, boosting the pro-Hamas message in many cases. There are probably very few (if any) pro-Palestine protests that don’t include the presence of some degree of pro-Hamas (and by extension, pro-Extermination of all Jews) people. This manifests either in the form of Hamas Flags, explicit anti-Israel flags and demonstrations, or chants of “from the river to the sea”.

                  On the other hand, the pro-Israel protests are very focused on the defense of Israel territory/citizens and anti-discrimation against people of Jewish heritage. There’s no explicit call to kill/expell all Palestinians. If there is, it is very fringe and the protestors themselves would certainly eject said person from the protest. At most, the most aggressive remarks are reserved specifically to the Hamas only.

                  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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                    5 months ago

                    You said most professors are pro-Hamas.

                    Can you even name three professors from those institutions that are pro-Hamas? Because you seem to be changing your story.