• Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
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    1 year ago

    You’ve got an important word there. Scale.

    Countries aren’t people but they’re made up of them. It wouldn’t take nuclear weapons to annihilate your household.

    Russia has invaded Ukraine’s home and tried to lay claim. Now you’re suggesting they give up what was taken from them to satisfy your desire for peace.

    The analogy the other person used is fair. In another analogy Russia is nothing more than a bully. We’ve long moved past the time where the advice we give is to just give the bully your money so they don’t beat you up and take it anyway.

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      1 year ago

      There is no such thing as a society, only individuals and families. Very true Maggie!

      No, countries are qualitatively different from simply “lots of people”

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      Bullies also don’t have nuclear weapons.

      Stop comparing people to countries. The scale makes it so absurd, because nuclear weapons could end the god damn world.

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          You were using an analogy where a bully threatens to beat you up and take your money.

          That’s nothing like the current situation. The current situation is a nuclear armed nation is willing to wage an endless war and we’re throwing money and bombs and tanks at the problem trying to make it go away. You’re comparing small scale things to nuclear scale things and it’s really just absurd.

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            You were using an analogy where a bully threatens to beat you up and take your money.

            No, I wasn’t.

            That’s nothing like the current situation. The current situation is a nuclear armed nation is willing to wage an endless war and we’re throwing money and bombs and tanks at the problem trying to make it go away.

            No, it’s not.

            You’re comparing small scale things to nuclear scale things and it’s really just absurd.

            No, I’m not.

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                  You can’t just increase the scale and expect things to stay the same!

                  If those nukes are ever touched it’s the end of the fucking world.

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                    1 year ago

                    And if a home invader with commercially available arms so decided it’s the end of your family. That’s how scale works.

                    But you don’t give in to a bully to avoid violence. That’s how you get more people/countries bullied.

                    This is not intended as a threat of violence. This is an analogy to make a point that should be obvious

      • 🔻Sleepless One🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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        By your logic, no one should stand up to the US either because we have enough glowy ordinance to turn Russia, China, and Iran into glass and have enough nukes to end all life a million times over.