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  • I’ve done both, it’s just a rarity to have someone experienced enough in both to be able to cross the lines.

    Those are your gems and they’ll stick around as long as you pay them decently.

    Hard to find.

    Because the problem is that you need

    1. A developer
    2. A systems guy
    3. A social and great personality

    The job is hard to hire for because those 3 in combo is rare. Many developers and systems guys have prickly personalities or specialise in their favourite part of it.

    Devops spent have the option of prickly personalities because you have to deal with so many people outside your team that are prickly and that you have to sometimes give bad news to….

    Eventually they’ll all be mad at you for SOMETHING…… and you have to let it slide. You have to take their anger and not take it personally…. That’s hard for most people, let alone tech workers that grew up idolising Linus torvalds, or Sheldon cooper and their “I’m so smart that I don’t need to be nice” attitudes.


  • As a devops manager that’s been both, it depends on the group. Ideally a devops group has a few former devs and a few former systems guys.

    Honestly, the best devops teams have at least one guy that’s a liaison with IT who is primarily a systems guy but reports to both systems and devops. Why?

    It gets you priority IT tickets and access while systems trusts him to do it right. He’s like the crux of every good devops team. He’s an IT hire paid for by the devops team budget as an offering in exchange for priority tickets.

    But in general, you’re absolutely right.








  • I ignored OP’s statements, not yours.

    You’ll find I replied to you and not them, but I appreciate your condescension in the midst of being wrong.

    Ranting about problem you had and being dramatic about it? No problem, I get it. I’m here to be supportive of your struggles. I’ll absolutely defend someone that is being dramatic over their own mistakes, we’re all our own biggest critics. Beyond that, I’ll ignore it and let them get through their own emotions.

    Feeling the need to judge someone over it? Yeah, YTA here and you’ll find that coworkers don’t like you for it. It’s unpleasant, and unnecessary.

    Do you enjoy it when people point out your faults and say “maybe the tech world isn’t for you?”

    …… but you’re not going to see it that way at all. You’ll create some meaningless “but it’s different” argument because you feel the need to defend your actions rather than reflect on them.

    Have a nice day, I’m done.