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  • There’s no easy way to make this into an actual business proposal… probably to the point that it isn’t possible at all.

    The tactic I could think of, if I were to NEED to do this… would be to try to find some way to argue on the grounds of some of the Ethical Altrusim stuff (I’m not a proponent of this stuff but… devil’s advocate time).

    You’d get a bunch of rich EA’s to invest a shit ton of money on the regular, you take this money to pay the licensing fees or fees for use on other copyrighted research and technical manuals and then charge as close to zero as you can get away with for the individual users accessing the licensed/copyrighted work. The argument being, “more people having access to quality research and technical documentation will be a net positive for humanity and the return on investment will be measured in thousands of years in the future.”



  • Exec’s don’t have that much headroom left to squeeze out of customers and workers. If they raise prices or lower wages too much, their product or jobs will be uncompetitive with companies that emit less co2 and thus need to pay less to offset it.

    How many different gas stations do you see during your daily travels? Are the prices all over the place or are they the same? What are the price differences between different manufacturers of the same type of TV? They’re all pretty much the same with one or two very high end or very low end models being the exception. There won’t be much price competition because that hurts businesses, if one of your business peers raises their prices you are now under pressure to RAISE your prices so that you’re not loosing potential profits.

    I’m pretty sure that manufacturing any particular type of thing or extracting any particular type of resource will produce the same amount of environmental degradation regardless of which company’s name is on the paperwork. Exxon doesn’t have some special way to extract oil that is better for the envrioment than the one ConocoPhillips uses. So there won’t be any competition that way.

    It will be cheaper in most cases to decrease emissions instead of paying for offsets.

    If the emissions are directly correlated to the thing they are selling, then no. Decreasing emissions means a company is pumping less oil or making less iPhones or selling less gasoline. This gives a company’s competitors who aren’t decreasing their production a way to capture its market share because somebody else will still have product to sell to meet the demand. So it there would be no net positive change so long as competition in the free market is allowed in this type of situation.


  • Any cost that you try to internalize will just be passed on to the consumer.

    Remember, you said it in your comment, “… a business’s purpose by law is to make money.” The business doesn’t pay the cost, the worker pays the cost.

    Your example of carbon capture is great, a “business” starts up doing carbon capture. They make their money by selling carbon credits to other businesses, NOT to clean up their act and stop polluting but to “offset” their carbon emissions. If my business produces more pollution, I just buy more credits and pass on the cost to the consumers or freeze employee raises or fire chunks of the workforce to cover the increase in business costs without to reduce the chance that it will hurt profits.

    Like, if I poop in your kitchen sink every day, but I buy “poop free kitchen sink credits” to offset that I poop in your kitchen sink every day that says “somewhere else there is a kitchen sink free of poop that will cancel out that I’ve pooped in this sink today,” … I’m still pooping in your kitchen sink.