Luden [comrade/them]

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How often do you hear about Nepal in any context? Most people can’t even point to it on a map and keep asking me how my time was in Tibet.

They have a whole history exhibit in the old Kathmandu palace that talks about the Maoist insurgency and their role in dismantling the monarchy prior to the royal massaacre.

Even so, the current government has been so ineffectual in some areas that some protestors have demonstrated to have the monarchy back. Part of this is because the Maoists and other communist groups lost their fangs when they started these coalitions and the government gets into standstills where nothing gets accomplished except the continual repaving of the roads to and from the airport whenever a foreign diplomat is due.

This is cool and good news.

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I think you are a deeply unserious person who idolizes poverty by saying vegans making the choice are bad and people forced into are good. I also think, based on this conversation, that you hold no strong convictions that can’t be shaken out of you with a little bit of hardship and can’t contextualize any amount of self-sacrifice because of your obsession with veganism being a privileged position. I already told you that people who have no other option are not a target of criticism, but people like you who who use others as a scapegoat certainly are. I’m blocking you now though because this is going nowhere.

You literally asked me the question and are now chastising me for my answer. This is the “how do you know someone is vegan” joke. I pointed out self-preservation to point out that vegans don’t go around attacking poor people and don’t expect people to keep their principles in those situations. I made a choice I don’t expect other people to make. I point my criticisms at the people I know in real life who shop at the exact same stores I do and make similar amounts of money, but still use poor people as an excuse not to change their own behavior.

Yes and yes because I’ve been there.

Everyone is more privileged than someone. It’s obviously more privileged to be able to eat fresh vegetables vs. people having to eat bark in occupied countries. But most serious vegans will also tell you that if you’re on a desert island and your only way to survive is to kill and eat a pig (as ridiculous as the scenario is), you should do it, because we acknowledge self-preservation is real and valid.

Am I privileged if I can afford to eat Beyond Burgers every night but I eat rice and beans instead? What if I can’t afford those things, still eat rice and beans, but I tell people I’m vegan to avoid awkward social interactions? You’re making up a caricature of vegans in your head, comparing them to poor people who happen to not be able to afford meat, and then saying the latter is somehow a better person.

The option you presented is a poor non-vegan person vs. a wealthier vegan person. There are people in between these two things.

People aren’t vegan through limited choice. It’s a conscious decision. You might eat a plant-based diet because you can’t afford meat, but that doesn’t make you the same as someone who is choosing not to eat meat on purpose. You’re comparing someone who wants to be vegan with someone who doesn’t and saying one is superior/less annoying. They’re two different people.

There’s like two of us in here and we’re just downvoted no matter what we say lol.

I’m not saying you’re incorrect. But I want to point out that many people who concern troll about how difficult vegan diets are to be healthy on are also people who don’t question how unhealthy their current choices are when it comes to consuming soda, energy drinks, red meat, other snacks, etc. Some people do, but most people who ask me about nutrition are not people who count their own calories or try to balance all their meals. It’s just as easy to be unhealthy as a non-vegan.

Do those other animals have the biology that allows them to subsist on other foods and the higher thinking required to question the morality of their actions?

Generally, no. You might see it in grocery store labeling as a tactic to signal the food is okay for vegans but to try and not turn off someone who goes “ick” if something specifically says its vegan. But it’s because “vegan” means the same thing in dietary terms. Vegan food is suitable for both vegans and people on plant-based diets, because the other things vegans are concerned with aren’t related to diet so aren’t relevant to the context.

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. The same argument applied to different contexts is perfectly valid.

Plant-based is the label for people who follow a vegan diet (plant-based diet) but not a vegan lifestyle like avoiding leather.

We’re arguing for the rights of animals over the rights of people who want to take them away. I just told you there’s no debate that killing an animal is killing an animal. How do you disagree with that? I never said ‘murder’, that’s trying to muddy the waters. The abortion debate is about whether or not abortion is killing a living being. Slaughtering animals is objectively so.