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This is definitely one of those situations imo where such responsibility falls squarely on parents and inviting the government to handle such a thing will create far more issues than it would resolve.

that’s an entirely legal fair use

Yet what these companies are doing does not constitute ‘fair use’, period, no matter how much you want to argue otherwise.

It is illegal. As an artist, if another individual or company wants to use my work for their own commercial purposes in any way, even if just to ‘analyze’ (since the analysis is part of their private commercial product), they still need to pay for a license to do so. Otherwise it’s an unauthorized use and theft. Copyright doesn’t even play into it at that point, and would be a separate issue.

It’s baffling to me seeing comments like this as if the ‘AI’ is some natural intelligence just hanging out going around reading books it’s interested in for the hell of it… No. These are software companies illegally using artists works (which we require licensing for commercial use) to develop a commercial, profit generating product. Whatever the potential outputs of the AI are is irrelevant when the sources used to train it were obtained illegally.

You know you don’t have to have a conversation with the cashier right? I put my stuff on the conveyor, say ‘yup’ when asked if I find everything alright, and ‘thanks’ when they’re finished… Or just silently nod 🤷‍♂️

But literally two days ago I was at the store and the self checkouts were full with 7 people still waiting to use them, while one employee ran around trying to handle all the errors… and only one standard checkout open for people with full carts. It was soo damn frustrating.

@Gutless2615 Of course individuals can train models on their own work, but if they train it on other artists work, that too is an unauthorized use.

Honestly whether AI outputs can be copyrighted is really a separate issue from what I am concerned about… what matters in these cases is where/ how they obtained the inputs on which they trained the models. If a corporation or individual is using other artists works without authorization they are also committing theft, irrespective of any copyright infringement.

@Gutless2615 corperations stealing artists work to develop their for-profit software is NOT fair use.

@brimnac it’s not a ‘someone’ though. The AI isn’t an actual consciousness. It’s a software company illegally using other artists work to develop their own commercial product. BIG DIFFERENCE.

@RightHandOfIkaros If they are just painting for themselves to learn new techniques or styles, no. If they are purposely trying to copy it to sell or pass off as the original artist, yes. A for-profit corperation taking works that have not been authorized for commercial use in order to develop their for-profit software is indeed stealing.

An independent artist learning new styles and gaining inspiration in creating their own work is not at all the same as a profit driven software corperation stealing other artists works on a massive scale to develop their own commercial products. That’s on top of most artists like myself prohibiting using our work for private commercial gain unless properly compensated or credited.

Yes I always want the option. I’m fine with an algorithm feed when I’m randomly checking in, but I really prefer chronological when an event is happening for instance and I want to see people’s most recent takes.