Another wall to try and make it so only the rich corporations can make AI, what a shock.

This is what all the useful idiots bleating against ai have been working towards.

So if an American drinks a beer in a German biergarten or in a park in france they should be charged with violating the open container law?

Also a criminal record can fuck your life in a myriad of ways, if like me you fall in love with someone from another country and you both have weed charges neither country will let you live together even decades later destroying what’s probably your only chance at happiness.

These rules are needlessly cruel and absurd.

Like killing disabled people because it’s cheaper, farming slaves to provide cheap labour, that sort of thing?

There a good reason we tend to prefer the more humane and emotionally guided solutions over the mathematically most efficient.

If a surgeon refused to let me save the life of the one person in the world i love then they wouldn’t be able to save any more lives after that so add that to your heartless calculations…

Just remember if a doctor ever asks then lie and say only on friday, there’s a few things in life you absolutely have to lie about because the system is not designed to care about people.

Here in the uk never admit to smoking weed to a medical professional, never admit to even so much as thinking about any form of self harm, delusions, emotional regulation issues… it can come back decades later and fuck you over.

That sounds like a job for ai

Everything is an evil Chinese conspiracy to some people it’s genuinely hilarious, like the whole concept of investing in the manufacturing sector to provide an active economy for a developing nation and basic principles like economies of scale are all just sneaky commie lies and actually the global economy is just a chubby yellow man with narrow eyes twiddling his Manchu mustache and laughing evilly about how his plot to flood the world with cheap goods is going to put hardworking mom and pop American corporations out on the street, after only a few more decades of improving everyone’s lifestyle with affordable living.

I’ve been hearing about Korean true crime recently so sadly the only thing totally new to me about this is it happened in France. Though somehow I’m shocked every time i hear of anything so dishusting, like I don’t want to learn the lesson that the world is full of so many terrible people.

Also he made them go through an elaborate set of rules to leave no odors or other signs, there’s no way they didn’t know what they were doing.

The assumptions of how china thinks in this thread are hilarious, so many people just making stuff up because it allows them to feel superior.

Especially you throwing big numbers around which you clearly don’t have any concept of what they represent, you saw memes that china killed 50 million people and instead of having any curiosity you just use it as a crude cudgel and swing meaninglessly. It’s sad but also kind of funny to me, if you had any concept of history you could have written a post that makes sense but instead you just want to find an excuse to call people stupid - is that not ironic to you, calling out people for stupid politics when you know full well you’ve just invented your argument based on zero actual understanding of what you’re talking about? Isn’t that a far better example of stupid politics for stupid people?

There’s plenty of good reasons to call this statement as its presented stupid but you missed them all and went for something stupid.

It’s a super complex situation, a large part of our economic crisis is actually because traditionally impoverished nations which we used to exploit freely now have growing economies, education, and workers protections so we’re not able to import raw materials so cheaply - even places like C.A.R., Bangladesh and similar have effective government polices focused on improving workers rights and fighting outside corruption - CAR for example has already implemented strong regulation on most it’s lithium mines and ongoing processes are tightening up conditions in the remaining areas.

This isn’t something we really like to address but it’s very significant in global economics and western markets, the math of it all is complex because while we’re not able to exploit these areas freely new economies allows for more trade however our western advantage is also now fading so where we once had huge auto markets, monopolies on high-end computer tech and even good steel this just not true anymore as advances in once 3rd world economies and tech makes it possible for world class manifacturing to happen almost anywhere.

Factory automation is actually what’s saving us from far worse economic effects of this global rug pull, it used to take several man hours to make products we can now produce in a fraction of a man second. I’ll draw some diagrams if you want but a key metric is production potential per capita which is the amount of things that can be made per person, if it takes ten people a day to make one thing then that thing should cost about ten days labour to buy that thing - of course also including the time taken to pack, transport, and all the other requires steps, and each step has its own costs that must be split into the cost, a truck or train journey adds not just the journey but the fraction of the cost of the vehicle and its many parts when split between its lifetime utility…

It’s even more complex math when we try to think of the best choice, a real traveling salesman problem, a very expensive train will reduce time and cost per journey so if in its lifetime it gets a lot of use then it’ll pay itself back but it it doesn’t then we’re never recapturing the initial cost. Manufacturing has been churning on this problem for the last few decades, it’s the same problem we get when deciding when to launch a trip to the nearest star - the first ship to launch will likely get overtaken by a far more advanced one launched 100 years later. Do you automate now or wait for the next gen tools that cost half as much to install and run?

So to go back to where we were, our easily exploited 3rd world labour force is drying up and so is our access to cheap resources and so is our high-value and luxury goods market - if we weren’t able to upgrade our tooling at the same time these markets evolved then it’d take a lot of people just to dig the coal needed to smelt the steel for a car engine and each car, tractor, delivery van would have to reflect that in its price and availability - even in pure communism without inequity the math simply doesn’t allow everyone to live well.

Automation has allowed us to drastically lower the time it takes to create things which means someone acting as a worker in that chain should be able to afford a far larger amount of things produced In that economy, if one person can supervise machines making a million resistors a day rather than making one per day by hand then every step in the economy that requires a resistor has the cost of that piece cut to one millionth.

There’s a number of reasons this isn’t very obvious in our lived experience beside the fact it’s offsetting the loss of exploitable poor people, rising living standards is a big one - even just the foods we regularly eat or have the option to eat are wild compared to fifty years ago. We rely on things that are hugely advanced like mobile phones, social media, public transport when previously the only option was to not talk to people or go places unless you’re super rich.

There is of course a other obvious reason and that’s the abaurd levels of inequality that we accept as normal, not just private jets and yachts but our whole society is structured to afford pointless luxury to some while others have to scrabble just to be alive, this is a form of stratification based on power which happens all through history and often causes old orders to collapse. The people with some economic power use it to exploit those without, in our economy things like increasing property portfolios by using money earned in rent to purchase more rental properties and that sort of behavior but also the increasing focus on luxury goods as that’s where the profit is, why make a business targeting poor people when tailoring it to rich people will earn you more? Hence so many absurd and pointless industries have huge budgets but poor people things don’t even get tried - those industries benefit from the work of everyone but only benefit the affluent.

I’ve already written too much but I will say if people learned how amazing open source is and could be then we could solve so.much of the inequality here and globally which would help us poors to enjoy the real benefit of automated manufacturing.

For many it’s not the only thing but it’s an important option when something comes up or things don’t go according to plan, when the choice is ends don’t meet so you need to borrow money from a predatory lending service to avoid eviction or repossession or starvation then having the option of working evenings and weekends is a life saver.

Likewise people who work like I do where I can earn what I need to most the time, even do well occasionally, but there might be a quiet period out of my control then gig work is again a real life saver.

And yes there are ‘alternatives’ but once this is killed they get killed too, I’ve been looking at the job market recently and it’s very hard to find work that isn’t ‘you will work to our schedule which might change on a whim and if you ever so much as ask about a week or two unpaid time off you’re out’

They already mostly fucked up gig work here in the uk, my American friends have a far easier time and earn better because we purposely scuppered them so that people can’t have any self sufficiency, freedom or determination. If I was in charge there would be a government body that helps people get in on work like this when needed, not policies to make sure people in difficult times or positions can’t do anything but devote their entire being to finding a corporation to live for.

Why do you say instead of when describing something that exists and is available? It’s not even expensive.

I think what you mean is why is all the focus always on negative uses and never positive and that’s because you’re on a website with a hate boner for technology, especially ai.

It kinda is a bit if you really look at quality of life changes in the last hundred years, even the last fifty - yes people feel like food is more expensive but a large part of that is diets are far better and more diverse for poor people. We have access to far higher quality stuff and this is a trend that’s been going strong since the start of the industrial revolution, do you know anyone that wears the same jute shirt every day? If so its a weird style choice not because they can’t spend less than an hours minimum wage to get a new shirt. Want to learn about house flys or rocket engines? I can point you to huge amounts of amazing free resources, it’s not too long ago you’d have to walk to the library to get a paragraph in an encyclopedia.

Sure it doesn’t feel amazing because we all want more, we want what the current rich have but actually look not that far back in time and we have access to far better things than the wealthy in terms of food, entertainment, and so many things. The rich also have far less power, again its easy to overlook but computer tools have eroded their control of media and government considerably which ironically is part of the reason we’re so aware of the existing inequities.

That’s not even close to true though, it just makes it obvious you’ve never been on a building site, in a mine, smelting works, factory or pretty much any traditionally dangerous job.

Creative jobs aren’t widely displaced yet, there’s the hint of that in the future but as of now it’s still an increasing field, especially in content creation and marketing. Manufacturing jobs have been getting replaced rapidly, when my parents were kids a whistle would blow and machinists would flood out the two factories and fill the pubs and streets, now both factories have closed because one factory can make and transport them far cheaper with a thousandth of the workforce. We do have factories in this areas still, they make much more complex things but the majority of their workforce is in the offices because CNC and CV assisted QC replaced the need for people to lug heavy things or twiddle control knobs all day.

I have friends that fucked their back up in their twenties carrying bricks up ladders, this job was common twenty five years ago but is virtually nonexistent now because of automation (largely factory based automation allowing prefab pieces and labour saving tools to out compete people working for minimum wage)

Yes it’s a fun and funny thing to say and I understand the sentiment but look at old pathe news reels showing how farming happens and compare them to a modern farm, automation has been helping people avoid backbreaking labour for decades - they don’t even drive the tractors on a lot of farms these days.

The real problem was that they achieved vendor lockin and thought that made them safe but couldn’t offer anything even slightly unique that wasn’t available free on other exercise bikes - or rather they could have but just didn’t.

They wanted to offer the absolute lowest quality experience for the highest price and hoped that name recognition and advertisement would carry them.

Ironically though bootstrapping is also now a term that means to install computer systems or fabrication hardware starting with the most basic tool then using that to create the next tool needed in the install process - going from a hammer to a laser cutter is a lot of steps but it’s not impossible.

I always thought it was popularized by the guy who rode a cannon ball into battle and fought a giant crocodile - barron von munchausen, from where we get the name for people who fake medical conditions- but his claim was to have saved himself from drowning by pulling himself up by his own hair. I wonder if that 1785 book why boot straps were mentioned in the textbook you mention.

Yeah, I’d sort my life out then spend a load hiring people to work on useful things simply because I want them to exist, open source and creative commons things that exist for everyone.

It’d give me a sense of purpose and something to focus on, mostly things that should exist already like a really good and efficient small washing machine that can be made by any small fabrication company, easily repairable and upgradable so it’s cheaper for people living in apartments than using overpriced coin op machines landlords often install in utility rooms.

There are so many ways of making actual positive differences in the world, if people with excess time and money worked on projects like this then everyone could live little better, meaning more people would be able to work on things and life would be better for everyone which would mean that people are less desperate and struggling so places would be safer and nicer which would mean there’s more nice places to visit and people are happier so doing more interesting and fun things which means no one would need so much money to enjoy life in a way even billionaires can’t afford now.

The good thing is we don’t really need rich people because the workers always do all the actual work so by working together as a people we can donthings like create vast networks of informative videos helping each other fix our cars - an example which has already happened and greatly benefitted many people I know and myself.

The weird guy making videos of how to change spark plugs on am obscure old car and getting 40 views is doing far more towards making a better world than then greedy asshole that makes proprietary and subscription based exercise bikes no matter how much money he manages to hoard for himself.

This only hurts working poor like me by making it harder for people to have quick temporary earnings. These rules are not about helping people or fairmess it’s about messing up options so people are desperate enough to lock themselves into shitty jobs rather than have any self determination.