I thought they more or less already did that? Although perhaps not at the UN.

They’ve already been making out that it’s an unacceptable act of aggression by Ukraine.

Next up:

• someone falls out a window
• Putin with mysterious illness, photos of him sitting many metres away across a stupidly long table.
• they will launch the nukes if other countries don’t stop supporting Ukraine.

I think a lot of users are just very young, and the light of idealism hasn’t left their eyes.

I agree with you pretty much on all points.

I am also conflicted.

It’s up to courts and parole boards to determine what punishments are appropriate, given the context of the crimes.

I don’t like the guy, and of course his crime was repugnant, but I can still acknowledge that he’s one of the best volleyball players in the world. These two opinions are incongruous and yet, they exist at the same time.

Can someone spell it out for me?

Who did the nutty instances want to win?

Who did normal people want to win?

I agree.

In the 70s everyone thought there would be a nuclear apocalypse.

A few decades before that children were born intended to be used as free labour for subsistence agriculture.

Yes climate change is a threat unlike any we’ve ever faced, yes its getting worse quicker than we thought, and yes population reduction is one way to mitigate it… but I don’t think that makes it wrong to have a child.

in order to cause hurt on others

Actually that’s not my experience. This might be a really simplistic view but in Australia it seems the left supports the working class, and the right favors the corporate class.

My parents, now in their 80s, have been firmly “working class” their whole lives, and are now retired and living on a government pension.

They’ve voted for the conservatives their entire lives simply because of conservative values around social issues. They don’t seem to realise that their preferred party is also reducing social benefits like their pensions.

I see this exact dynamic a lot. As in… “my life is so hard because there are no social services or financial support, it must be the fault of immigrants, so I’ll vote for conservatives who will be mean to immigrants and poor people, and make me feel better about my hard working self”.

Which leads me to the next category… a lot of Asian migrants are deeply conservative, and the conservative party is constantly seeking to make migration from non european countries more and more difficult. My partner is a first generation migrant from Asia, so this is something I see a lot from her and her compatriots.

That said, I guess there’s a strong undercurrent of, as you say, people just being so miserable and beat down they feel like someone must be to blame, and if a conservative govt is going to put some minority under the thumb then that might feel pretty good.

IDK. Shit is fucked.

Their voters are fools that are fueled by hatred and stupidity.

Whole-heartedly agreed on this.

Perhaps this is arrogance, but I have the strongly held opinion that the vast majority of conservative voters vote against their own interests.

Ok but what would they scream if Trump was assassinated? It wouldn’t solve the hyper partisan hatred.

Sorry mate that’s a pretty thin argument.

Someone might be challenged to reconsider after hearing a joke like that, but many millions will just think that sort of opinion is normal. It’s ok at want political opponents dead.

Meh. I think what you really mean by “lost some respect” is that you’ve realised that JB has a different stance on this to your own.

He is distancing himself from it and its what anyone in his position would do if they care more about money and fame than politics.

This is a post hoc fallacy. As in someone who cares more about money would distance themselves from this, but that doesn’t mean that JB cares more about money. IMO, any self respecting celebrity that doesn’t want western politics to descend into violent adversarial combat would also distance themselves from a comment like that.

kyle was 100% joking.

It doesn’t matter. As I’ve said some jokes are completely inappropriate.

Well I think comedy is obviously not about assassinating politicians I don’t like, and apparently jack black agrees with me.

It’s definitely a me problem, not a you problem, but I do find nips distracting. I’d like to get better at not being distracted by visible nips and I’m here for that journey.

Babet asking for deportation is not the real story - he’s just an idiot making ridiculous statements for attention.

I don’t really buy into the “just a joke” defense. There’s plenty of things one could say “as a joke” that we would and should denounce as a society, and political violence is one of them. Celebrities have a responsibility to uphold social norms or at the very least not to normalise concepts we will not tolerate as a society including political violence.

Yes, you and me can see that what was said was “just a joke” but there’s plenty of people who would hear that joke and assume that wishing Trump would be assassinated is a normal opinion.

[Jack Black][(https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-16/tenacious-d-trump-joke-cancel-australia-tour/104105448) has cancelled the rest of the tour, and not because of Babet’s comments, but more likely because he can’t continue with Gass.

Babet’s comments aren’t the real story though - he’s just a dog whistling idiot trying to get attention.

Jack Black cancelled the rest of the tour, and not because of what Babet said:

Jack Black, one half of the American comedy rock duo Tenacious D, says he no longer feels it is “appropriate” to continue the band’s tour following a controversial joke by his bandmate Kyle Gass at the band’s recent Sydney show.

“I was blindsided by what was said at the show on Sunday,” Black wrote in a statement posted on Instagram.

abc

Celebrities should not condone political violence. “It was just a joke” doesn’t give you a free pass. There’s plenty of things one could say as a joke which are completely inappropriate and unacceptable.

I don’t think Trump’s death would solve anything.

The only positive outcome is for him to get trashed in the polls in november.,

Do you really think a south East Asian country is going to be the first in the world to roll out UBI?

The thing is though, everyone needs to do something just for the satisfaction of not doing nothing.

It was absolutely a fair comment.

The quoted part of the comment makes it seem like “chemicals” is the subject of the assertion. It’s not. The comment goes on to describe what chemicals and why they’re a concern.

Yes, it’s not a great comment, it’s not eloquent, it could be more concise… but that doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to make disingenuous misrepresentations about the authors intended meaning.

They would have been on a 457 visa which means they were indeed temporary, but they had skills in demand. It is a pathway to citizenship.

Point is, we’re not just letting people show up for medical treatment.