It said “cheaper” not “energy efficient”.

Wings are easy, jet engines are hard.

Besides, if you can do it with an electrical locomotive on the ground, the energy conversion to electricity of a power plant should be better than the energy conversion of a jet engine from fuel to movement.

So imo, cheaper seems plausible, energy efficient is a maybe.

Gumbies isn’t real, but if you can explain to me how CI/CL or github actions work using only their documentation I’m going to proverbially eat a hat.

Where is the guitar?

How do you expect people to become rockstar https://codewithrockstar.com/ devs without a guitar?!

Anyone got a commmand line tool change all my stuff? Because if I have to do change all the remotes all the time, for dozens of projects I’m going to lose my mind.

Also the migration on gitlab/codeberg looked like an amount of effort that doesn’t round down to zero.

Please take care that modern design practices and the latest materials are used in construction of the house, as I want it to be a showplace for the most up-to-date ideas and methods. Be alerted, however, that kitchen should be designed to accommodate, among other things, my 1952 Gibson refrigerator.

That’s actually too easy, because electrical systems have been standardized for a long time.

Should be something like “15 highpowered electrical stoves, but keep the total power consumption below 15 Watts.”

Or, homeautomation and integration with google/alexa, but using the old fridge.

Oh I agree, doesn’t prevent me from being locked into certain communities on discord.

We’re talking about discord and why people use that and not other technology. 99% of the people on discord are not involved with FOSS, but they are what make the platform attractive.

programming.dev is useless and serves no purpose?

No, this instance is federated and not a traditional forum.

A budding community must be online 24/7 to provide support

No, it’s fine if that support is given via the git platform, and it’s also fine if it takes a while. And it’s also fine if the question goes unanswered.

imagine a community with many people and the chat moving forward quickly enough for your question to be out of scrolling view within minutes due to other discussions going on. Even in that scenario there is “no purpose” for a forum?

Yes. Because it is functionally no different than a forum main page where so many new topics get created that questions people don’t get to get buried. And also, I’ve never seen that happen with chats. What I have seen is that people didn’t have time or interest to answer my question. Which is fine because they owe me nothing. But a forum would not have “solved” that.

Exactly, it’s a different paradigm and I don’t want a forum.

To me it looks like the features are about 80% there, can’t find the screen sharing, login with QR doesn’t exist. Not really sure how to even search for some features because the naming is so extremely bad. “matrix automation” “element bot”. E.g. this is a very poor collection: https://element.io/integrations Looks like custom emotes are still missing.

But let’s say all of that exists and works.

What other features are essential for an opensource community that only discord provides?

I think we’re talking about different things then. I don’t need something for an opensource community. I need something for ALL communities I’m a part of. Because I’m already in 40 of them and 5 of them are FOSS projects. So switching those over increases friction, if it’s not a total replacement.

As for forums, they are for async. Are you going to seriously tell me discord is a good forum replacement?

This is inverted. I don’t need to defend why the platform I’m on is good, (it’s not), you need to explain why forums are supposed to be better (they are significantly worse).

Documentation belongs on a dedicated website, Issues belong on some gitlab or something instance. If I have a question, I want the answer reasonably quickly or I’m just not going to use the software you’re providing. If I’m nice, I’ll leave a post on the bug tracker that the install/getting started documentation didn’t work.

Forums serve no purpose anymore.

Right now, I’m going to stop using element/matrix again for the forseeable future because there are no communities with public rooms I’m interested in.

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Matrix isn’t competing with the experience of setting up another account on a different platform, with email, username, passwords, recovery key, display theme, notifications settings, content warnings, etc…

It’s competing with being able to click on a link to join a subgroup of a social network that people are already a part of and already signed into.

The people in this thread are open source power users who don’t get and don’t want the features that discord offers. It’s no surprise you’d rather have your forum back. I don’t think that’s how it’s going to work.

Privacy is good and what discord does is bad. But don’t lecture me on how convient and nice it is to use or run something like matrix, if this is your idea of a user onboarding experience:

https://matrix.org/docs/chat_basics/matrix-for-im/

This is objectively not true, because social network effects are in place and there is a switching cost.

Downgrading to a Floor-Top device? Sounds like you can’t go any lower, no thanks.