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  • electron slows everything on your computer down (by design). for each individual electron app you’re running concurrently, you’re burning another huge volume of resources and sacrificing performance that normally would have been shared. even well-optimized electron apps can’t do anything to avoid this due to the inherent design of electron. because each runtime of electron has to load all its junk separately from one another. it’s a burden on your hardware that developers just don’t give a shit about because electron makes it easy to push out apps with minimal coding effort and let you ignore native platform support. if they did give a shit they wouldn’t use electron. electron basically makes a flagship computer behave like a 90ies computer due to lazy convenience of the coder. i’d propose that any developer who opts to us electron can’t be trusted because they obviously don’t care (or know) enough to develop real software. almost every electron app is basically a patchwork put together from various github sources and frameworks.

    regardless. even if i wanted to use one of the privacy focused applications despite electron, i would have a total of 0 users to chat with, making the chat app useless. people want their modern features and are beyond willing to pay with their privacy. so not only does telegram offer a non-electron native client on all platforms. they also offer all modern features and design elements users have come to expect.

    and as said. if i had to pick one chat application i’d prefer over anything else. i’d go with delta chat. since i wouldn’t need to convince anyone to install it and still be able to chat with them. but it’s unlikely the delta chat developer will rewrite it. heck, most of the actual interface is just another lazy copypaste. so, i do me.


  • both use Electron (which is the problem and why Telegram is literally the only modern option on the market) so they aren’t options either. If Electron wasn’t a problem in and off itself, I wouldn’t use either of those anyway since I could use DeltaChat, be secure, and not need to bother to “convert” anyone to use the client since it’s literally a chat client built on the email protocol (which everyone on earth has).




  • agreed. but chats are there to keep in touch, collaborate, and communicate. so we don’t have much of a choice, especially since most people just don’t care about security and stick with Messenger or similar. in my circles though, it’s a lot easier to convince someone to use Telegram unlike one of the many XMPP clients, and seeing as it runs natively, it’s my only real choice.

    personally, I’d be all over DeltaChat if it wasn’t running on electron. brilliant idea for sure, as there would be no convincing necessary to keep in touch with practically anyone on the planet.


  • mobile is not the problem for many reasons. one being that apps offload so there is no system wide slowdown like you experience on a modern high end computer, caused by electron.

    all those protocols only offer shitty electron apps on desktop.

    i have a top end m1 mbp and it can handle 2 electron apps running concurrently at best. i won’t even install electron apps anymore because i need to be able to actually use my computer for work. which is a bit ironic as most modern utility applications which would be useful for work can’t even be used on most computers unless run as the single active app (great workflow, lol!).








  • our taxes goes to fund resources and development. and a large part of those taxes goes directly to microsoft so our governments can maintain windows and office installs instead of developing a public solution; its a problem because we aren’t actually getting anything from the taxes that goes to microsoft; which, unless you live in the US, is practically illegal unless specifically hiring a domestic corporation to supply the product (good ol’ privatization).

    oh sure. big bad china gonna get us. meanwhile, the US keep fucking with us over here in europe and breaking our laws in the name of american private enterprises.

    but yes, europe should really stop relying on foreign corporations for vital infrastructure, and yet here we are, laws being broken, national security thrown out the window, and no one cares.