I think this whole left/right thing is the issue. Stop bundling shit together and work in individual issues yo. Abortion rights is common sense. So is right to bear arms. Somehow we gotta have an XOR gate on this? Lunacy.
Finland is up there on weapons per person in Europe, but it is both expensive and complicated to get that first license. It does get easier the more you are into it, but following all the laws to the letter is, again, expensive as hell.
Meanwhile practically every fighting aged male has had some time on the range and weapon safety drilled into them during their conscription, although some more so than others. It might be an old system, but it works for us. Can’t really see it working in the US, tho, for obvious reasons.
Is it practical? Not really. Do we have a lot of mass shootings? Nope.
I agree in principle, and the fee in itself isn’t expensive. It’s the fact that you need to buy a safe with a high enough security rating (which they actually do come to check on randomly) and then also another secure place to store ammo in. Legally they have to be separated when not in use.
After that you need an active membership in either a hunting party or a gun sports club, and participate/shoot a certain amount each year to keep the license for your gun. You also have to file and get approved for each individual gun you buy/own.
With all that said though, once you’ve gotten your first license and proved you can handle whatever firearm you got for either purpose it gets easier to get a second one, and then a third, as long as you have a valid enough reason to buy and own whatever gun you’re after.
Most people just start with a .22 and go up from there if it is for sports, or buy a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
As for self defense - it’s practically impossible to get a handgun for self protection purposes in any legal way, unless there are very special circumstances. Owning a gun for self protection is just not a thing people take seriously here, outside certain …groups.
As a sidenote tho, if you know where to look it’s not particularly hard to get a handgun if you want one, you just don’t want to get caught with one, and it’s also not completely trivial to get decent ammo. A black market Glock goes for around 500€ afaik.
Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but like I also mentioned, Finland is very conservative with certain things. This is one of them. I haven’t been shooting for a long time due to medical reasons, so some of this might be out of date. Maybe someone more involved please correct me if I got something wrong.
Self defense and particularly defense against unchecked government is the whole primary point for me. I don’t care to go about shooting animals. Gun sports is cool I guess.
Yes, I understood that point. It’s just not widely shared outside of the US. I personally wouldn’t mind having something for self defense, but I’m in a minority and it comes from living a rough life when younger. Luckily the risk of running into an armed intruder here is just about zero anyway. It’s just another world, really.
…and I think you’re smart enough to know there’s no outshooting any government, no matter the country.
I think this whole left/right thing is the issue. Stop bundling shit together and work in individual issues yo. Abortion rights is common sense. So is right to bear arms. Somehow we gotta have an XOR gate on this? Lunacy.
Finland is up there on weapons per person in Europe, but it is both expensive and complicated to get that first license. It does get easier the more you are into it, but following all the laws to the letter is, again, expensive as hell.
Meanwhile practically every fighting aged male has had some time on the range and weapon safety drilled into them during their conscription, although some more so than others. It might be an old system, but it works for us. Can’t really see it working in the US, tho, for obvious reasons.
Is it practical? Not really. Do we have a lot of mass shootings? Nope.
Training requirements is practical and good, but restricting based on money is bad. Not only the rich need to defend themselves.
I agree in principle, and the fee in itself isn’t expensive. It’s the fact that you need to buy a safe with a high enough security rating (which they actually do come to check on randomly) and then also another secure place to store ammo in. Legally they have to be separated when not in use.
After that you need an active membership in either a hunting party or a gun sports club, and participate/shoot a certain amount each year to keep the license for your gun. You also have to file and get approved for each individual gun you buy/own.
With all that said though, once you’ve gotten your first license and proved you can handle whatever firearm you got for either purpose it gets easier to get a second one, and then a third, as long as you have a valid enough reason to buy and own whatever gun you’re after.
Most people just start with a .22 and go up from there if it is for sports, or buy a shotgun or rifle for hunting.
As for self defense - it’s practically impossible to get a handgun for self protection purposes in any legal way, unless there are very special circumstances. Owning a gun for self protection is just not a thing people take seriously here, outside certain …groups.
As a sidenote tho, if you know where to look it’s not particularly hard to get a handgun if you want one, you just don’t want to get caught with one, and it’s also not completely trivial to get decent ammo. A black market Glock goes for around 500€ afaik.
Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but like I also mentioned, Finland is very conservative with certain things. This is one of them. I haven’t been shooting for a long time due to medical reasons, so some of this might be out of date. Maybe someone more involved please correct me if I got something wrong.
Self defense and particularly defense against unchecked government is the whole primary point for me. I don’t care to go about shooting animals. Gun sports is cool I guess.
Yes, I understood that point. It’s just not widely shared outside of the US. I personally wouldn’t mind having something for self defense, but I’m in a minority and it comes from living a rough life when younger. Luckily the risk of running into an armed intruder here is just about zero anyway. It’s just another world, really.
…and I think you’re smart enough to know there’s no outshooting any government, no matter the country.
Just about zero? Try several times in my own personal life. I’ll die in a shootout long before I ever let them take me again. Death > torture
If it wasn’t apparent already, we don’t live on the same continent. We live in completely different worlds.
The biggest threat here is getting mugged by some youngster with a knife that’ll get caught within 15 minutes.
If I lived over there I’d be carrying too. Here? Here we leave our babies to sleep outside safely.
Must be nice.