I agree with you but that’s the direction everyone else wants to go because places that aren’t heavily censored “become right wing hives,” and therefore the more censorship the better. It happens here on .ml too.
I honestly can’t understand that. Discussion boards are where opposing views come to clash. That’s what creates meaningful dialogue. I am politically centrist and i find myself sometimes agreeing and disagreeing with the left and the right. What these people mean about “right wing hives” is forums where conservative opinions exist.
If we’re just creating spaces that share only one political ideology, where we ban everyone disagreeing, how can we ever learn from each other ? What value is there in spaces where opinions are homogeneous and we only see people shouting opinions over the wall to the other group ? It’s just a circlejerk at that point, and i have nothing against circlejerk per se, it’s just that politics is very ill fitting for such types of forums.
Since the times of Greek democracies and republics, disagreement and factionalism has been a part of growth for political discourse. I believe we shouldn’t shy away from that at all.
Not to defend the mods, since I’m not going back to Reddit even to read a post, but mods also have to make sure the discussion can happen. You can’t just have one big fat orange guy shouting down everyone else and call it a discussion. Even “free speech” needs to follow some rules, starting with respecting others’ right to free speech, and you’re not free from the consequences of your speech.
Let’s take the atrocity in Israel as a prime example. It’s surely a horror we should be outraged by and demand action, but why is it coming up in a discussion about police abuse of force? I’ll support you being outraged for that cause, but you need to respect that there are other causes as well and that we have the right to freely discuss without someone derailing it by shouting down the discussion
I don’t have an issue with reasonable moderation, but I object to the idea that every pattern of moderation should just be accepted and that censorship isn’t a problem worth worrying about.
Reddit doesn’t have a modlog, so most of the removed comments are lost forever and there is no accountability for them, but a few of them can be seen through Reveddit, and the ones I see are not off topic or ideological rants. For instance the first one I see is
Are they going to shoot up the wrong car with innocent ladies in it again looking for this guy?
Edit: Guess they managed to take him down without hitting any civilians, I guess good job for only killing the bad guy
Obviously referring to the Chris Dorner shootings which would be very relevant here, in a very reasonable way. I think it’s fair to assume that r/news moderators simply don’t want that guy mentioned at all.
Reddit isn’t really a place for discussion. It’s a place you go to have a specific opinion or get banned. You choose the “room” with your opinions and express only those in the instructed method on the sidebar. Any dissonant opinions, facts or arguments and you’re banned. So really, more like a place for agreement if anything (or disagreement of the opposite view, but only that and no other disagreement).
Yeah. Popular subs always had this issue but some subs were ok before all the mods left and only the ill tempered ones remained after the apk changes. The infamous “power mods” that fit the quintessential reddit mod stereotype.
I am happy with lemmy for now though. You’re free to say something unpopular and it’s fine. You get downvoted sometimes, but at least you’re not silenced because your opinion goes against the grain.
I think it’s actually a serious problem if the most prominent places for discussion are heavily censored
I agree with you but that’s the direction everyone else wants to go because places that aren’t heavily censored “become right wing hives,” and therefore the more censorship the better. It happens here on .ml too.
I honestly can’t understand that. Discussion boards are where opposing views come to clash. That’s what creates meaningful dialogue. I am politically centrist and i find myself sometimes agreeing and disagreeing with the left and the right. What these people mean about “right wing hives” is forums where conservative opinions exist.
If we’re just creating spaces that share only one political ideology, where we ban everyone disagreeing, how can we ever learn from each other ? What value is there in spaces where opinions are homogeneous and we only see people shouting opinions over the wall to the other group ? It’s just a circlejerk at that point, and i have nothing against circlejerk per se, it’s just that politics is very ill fitting for such types of forums.
Since the times of Greek democracies and republics, disagreement and factionalism has been a part of growth for political discourse. I believe we shouldn’t shy away from that at all.
Not to defend the mods, since I’m not going back to Reddit even to read a post, but mods also have to make sure the discussion can happen. You can’t just have one big fat orange guy shouting down everyone else and call it a discussion. Even “free speech” needs to follow some rules, starting with respecting others’ right to free speech, and you’re not free from the consequences of your speech.
Let’s take the atrocity in Israel as a prime example. It’s surely a horror we should be outraged by and demand action, but why is it coming up in a discussion about police abuse of force? I’ll support you being outraged for that cause, but you need to respect that there are other causes as well and that we have the right to freely discuss without someone derailing it by shouting down the discussion
I don’t have an issue with reasonable moderation, but I object to the idea that every pattern of moderation should just be accepted and that censorship isn’t a problem worth worrying about.
Reddit doesn’t have a modlog, so most of the removed comments are lost forever and there is no accountability for them, but a few of them can be seen through Reveddit, and the ones I see are not off topic or ideological rants. For instance the first one I see is
Obviously referring to the Chris Dorner shootings which would be very relevant here, in a very reasonable way. I think it’s fair to assume that r/news moderators simply don’t want that guy mentioned at all.
Reddit isn’t really a place for discussion. It’s a place you go to have a specific opinion or get banned. You choose the “room” with your opinions and express only those in the instructed method on the sidebar. Any dissonant opinions, facts or arguments and you’re banned. So really, more like a place for agreement if anything (or disagreement of the opposite view, but only that and no other disagreement).
It used to be a better place for arguments
Yeah. Popular subs always had this issue but some subs were ok before all the mods left and only the ill tempered ones remained after the apk changes. The infamous “power mods” that fit the quintessential reddit mod stereotype.
I am happy with lemmy for now though. You’re free to say something unpopular and it’s fine. You get downvoted sometimes, but at least you’re not silenced because your opinion goes against the grain.