If that were the case then they wouldn’t have forcibly removed the Palestinians from their own lands stripped them of their homes and livelihoods.>
Are you referring to 1948, during the war started by the Arab League to destroy Israel? If the Arabs had accepted partition in 1937 or 1947, there wouldn’t have been a war. There would be a Jewish and a Palestinian state coexisting to this day. Zionism is nothing more than the belief in Jewish self-determination in our ancestral homeland. That’s it. It does not preclude anyone else’s existence or self-determination. That’s what defines Palestinian nationalism, not Zionism.
You’re welcome to explain to me why I’m wrong.>
As I said above, Israel didn’t start the war that led to the Nakba. The Arab League of Nations did. They lost that war. Twenty years later Egypt declared war again and Israel launched a pre-emptive strike to end it quickly. Six years later Arab countries attacked again, this time on the holiest day in Judaism. Israel won that war too. And now we have the war of 2023-2024, whatever it will be called, which was once again started by Hamas’s barbaric invasion and Hezbollah’s sympathy attacks from the north. There is a clear pattern in this history, and I didn’t even include the Arab violence against Jews that pre-dated 1947.
I hate it because it’s existence comes at the expense of others and they don’t seem to even want to stop.>
Except it doesn’t. See my first response above. The Arabs/Palestinians have had many opportunities to pursue peaceful coexistence and have chosen violence every time. That is simply because they refuse to accept the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East. There was no Palestinian nationalist movement until Israel was created. It is literally defined by its opposition to Israel’s existence.
If the Arabs had accepted partition in 1937 or 1947, there wouldn’t have been a war.
That’s a funny way of saying if people didn’t accept foreigners displacing them there would be no war.
Zionism is nothing more than the belief in Jewish self-determination in our ancestral homeland.
At the expense of the native population. It’s an imperialist attitude, that does not take into account the suffering it inflicts. It’s the same thing that happened to the Native American’s when Europeans came to settle on their land. You’re casually dismissing the suffering, systemic oppression, and ethnic cleansing of people to justify some political or ideological goal whose basis in the Jewish faith is questionable at best.
As I said above, Israel didn’t start the war that led to the Nakba. The Arab League of Nations did. They lost that war.
As I said before. You’re neglecting what led to this war being brought on. You can’t displace a native population and then be surprised when they decide to fight back and then cry victim.
The Arabs/Palestinians have had many opportunities to pursue peaceful coexistence and have chosen violence every time.
Like when Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Israelis for signing the Oslo accords?
Or when Israelis would establish illegal settlements like what Hilltop Youth did and attacked Palestinians on site?
There is literally nothing analogous about Israel and the colonization of the Americas, but for the sake of argument let me ask you this:
Do you think First Nations people (as we call them in Canada) would be justified in carrying out an endless campaign of terrorist violence against Canadian and American citizens in the futile hope that we would all decide to pack up and leave? If several hundred of them decided to maraud through towns in rural US or Canada, butchering entire families, burning people alive, sexually violating women, and then took a couple hundred people hostage, would your attitude be, “Meh, we did take their land.”
The single fact that you were able to use it as an example means the 2 situations are analogous. Read some of the links I sent you in the other thread. You’re sidestepping and dismissal of what’s happening right in front of your eyes is getting pathetic.
Are you referring to 1948, during the war started by the Arab League to destroy Israel? If the Arabs had accepted partition in 1937 or 1947, there wouldn’t have been a war. There would be a Jewish and a Palestinian state coexisting to this day. Zionism is nothing more than the belief in Jewish self-determination in our ancestral homeland. That’s it. It does not preclude anyone else’s existence or self-determination. That’s what defines Palestinian nationalism, not Zionism.
As I said above, Israel didn’t start the war that led to the Nakba. The Arab League of Nations did. They lost that war. Twenty years later Egypt declared war again and Israel launched a pre-emptive strike to end it quickly. Six years later Arab countries attacked again, this time on the holiest day in Judaism. Israel won that war too. And now we have the war of 2023-2024, whatever it will be called, which was once again started by Hamas’s barbaric invasion and Hezbollah’s sympathy attacks from the north. There is a clear pattern in this history, and I didn’t even include the Arab violence against Jews that pre-dated 1947.
Except it doesn’t. See my first response above. The Arabs/Palestinians have had many opportunities to pursue peaceful coexistence and have chosen violence every time. That is simply because they refuse to accept the existence of a Jewish state in the Middle East. There was no Palestinian nationalist movement until Israel was created. It is literally defined by its opposition to Israel’s existence.
That’s a funny way of saying if people didn’t accept foreigners displacing them there would be no war.
At the expense of the native population. It’s an imperialist attitude, that does not take into account the suffering it inflicts. It’s the same thing that happened to the Native American’s when Europeans came to settle on their land. You’re casually dismissing the suffering, systemic oppression, and ethnic cleansing of people to justify some political or ideological goal whose basis in the Jewish faith is questionable at best.
As I said before. You’re neglecting what led to this war being brought on. You can’t displace a native population and then be surprised when they decide to fight back and then cry victim.
Like when Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Israelis for signing the Oslo accords?
Or when Israelis would establish illegal settlements like what Hilltop Youth did and attacked Palestinians on site?
Or the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre?
The oppression Israel had done on the Palestinians is well documented.
Here’s another report.
Why should they? It’s their land Israel settled on.
So what does that tell you about what Israel is doing? Why would this movement be needed in the first place?
There is literally nothing analogous about Israel and the colonization of the Americas, but for the sake of argument let me ask you this:
Do you think First Nations people (as we call them in Canada) would be justified in carrying out an endless campaign of terrorist violence against Canadian and American citizens in the futile hope that we would all decide to pack up and leave? If several hundred of them decided to maraud through towns in rural US or Canada, butchering entire families, burning people alive, sexually violating women, and then took a couple hundred people hostage, would your attitude be, “Meh, we did take their land.”
The single fact that you were able to use it as an example means the 2 situations are analogous. Read some of the links I sent you in the other thread. You’re sidestepping and dismissal of what’s happening right in front of your eyes is getting pathetic.