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    It’s literally an island close off the coast of China, like Galveston, the Florida Keys, or Long Island.

    … and Cuba. USA actually has more presence on Cuba (thanks to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base) than PRC has ever had on Taiwan.

    Of course, that doesn’t matter: Cuba is sovereign and Taiwan is sovereign. The latter temporarily lacks official international recognition for global politics reasons unfortunately.

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      The PRC and the KMT are not separate countries. You are inventing a new way of thinking that you do not apply literally anywhere else in the world. Cuba was never part of the United States. It’s not republican nor democrat nor confederate. The working families party didn’t exist before it existed, does that mean it can’t win elections now? You are confusing political movements for sovereigns. China is the sovereign. The KMT was the party in charge for a very short period of time and they didn’t operate much on Taiwan island. The PRC demonstrated that it had overwhelming popular support and won the war and it took over control of China, which includes Taiwan. The KMT and the PRC are not separate countries and that you Western beligerrents keep framing it that way is completely disingenuous with no basis in reality, history, law, or precedent.

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        The PRC and the KMT are not separate countries. You are inventing a new way of thinking that you do not apply literally anywhere else in the world.

        Well, can you think of any other two countries like PRC and Taiwan that are in a similar situation? If you cannot, then you kinda have to think about them in a new way that doesn’t apply anywhere else in the world.

        The KMT was the party in charge for a very short period of time and they didn’t operate much on Taiwan island.

        So who operates on Taiwan now? It’s not PRC.

        Cuba was never part of the United States.

        And in the same way Taiwan was never part of PRC. Or even less, as I showed before: a tiny (but larger than 0!) portion of Cuba has been part of USA since 1903. Exactly no part of Taiwan has been part of PRC since its founding in 1912.

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          And in the same way Taiwan was never part of PRC.

          NO. We’ve already established this. They are NOT the same. Cuba was part of Spain. The USA was part of England.

          Taiwan is part of China, has been for centuries. The CPC took over China from the KMT. The KMT was routed and fled to the island, that was part of China and established a separatist state. This state of affairs would have ended with the KMT being dismantled if it hadn’t been for European intervention to turn the KMT into a political proxy that allowed the Europeans to maintain military and economic hegemony over the region. There is NOTHING similar about Cuba and the USA except that they are an island and a mainland (except Cuba is 3x further away from the mainland than Taiwan is).

          So who operates on Taiwan now? It’s not PRC.

          It’s not a machine. You don’t operate islands. The question is who is sovereign over Taiwan, the answer is China. The next question is which political body currently governs Taiwan, the answer is the ROC. The final question is does the ROC have a claim to legitimacy and the answer is no.