All good points.

That’s a fair point. Actively disabling it at the last minute, after everything had been underway, is significant.

Yeah, I honestly don’t understand why this narrative even needs to be played out.

I don’t know what angle there is by making Musk a scapegoat beyond, maybe, Ukraine trying to strengthen its supporting relationship with the US population, but it already has most of the US support anyway.

Musk has his issues, there’s no doubt about that, but not wanting to be involved is an ethical stance to take on his part.

That’s not a bad thing. I wouldn’t consider watchpeopledie healthy for anyone.

That was then; this is now. A lot has changed in the last few years.

wew

no cap

but “fuck Meta/Google because they’re evil” is subjective as hell and gets us nowhere except back to Reddit culture.

That’s true. A lot of Reddit culture is cringe as well

so they drink tequila and move on

based

By justifing Spez’s actions as smart.

Where am I justifying what he’s done, though.

I’m not saying his actions are smart. I’m saying they’re not “dumb”. I’m saying they’re practically expected.

That’s the environment we’re working with at the moment.

He made a play that got him what he wanted at the expense of the interests of Reddit’s users.

So did Zuckerberg with Facebook. So did Tim Cook with Apple.

This is nothing new - it’s the same old, battered story of a CEO fucking over its users for their own gain as well as the gain of their shareholders.

They do not care about long term outcomes. They can afford to not care. They do not give a fuck about anything that you give a fuck about, and they definitely don’t play by the rules you play by.

Calling them “dumb” is like throwing a rock at a killer robot who’s out to destroy you: not only does it do absolutely fucking nothing, you just spent energy and time that went nowhere.

And then you have the people telling the rock throwers not to do that, but then the rock throwers flip out and throw rocks at them.

The idea that forcing subs to go “dark” is going to reverse anything is also ludicrous.

They can do whatever the fuck they want with Reddit, and they have their reasons (good or bad, for better or worse).

They also don’t care what you have to say about it, because at this point, your interests are fundamentally at odds with theirs.

So one individual’s bank account is more valuable than a community for millions world wide?

Lol, no. Where did I even insinuate that?

Ok, I understand. You’re dim.

Fair enough.

See, that’s the thing. I’m not a fan of Musk or Spez, and I never claimed to be.

Ultimately I think Elon Musk gets a ludicrous amount of attention.

My whole point was that (a) it seems like Spez doesn’t care, which really begs the question of how much energy this is worth investing in and (b) people in his position often get what they want (money) because they have to deal with this exact kind of situation.

If Reddit dies, it dies, and I’ll consider myself wrong. If Spez totally gets owned and loses, great!

Either way, I think it’s ok to move on.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if they expected this reaction.

Anyway, Lemmy is fine; it’s a nice alternative. I’d rather just let Reddit go in whatever direction it ends up going in than keep getting angry about it.

I’m glad that there is an alternative. Maybe we can try and learn from Reddit and do what we can to prevent Lemmy from going in that direction, yeah?

Lol. I’m literally on your side bro.

God, I’m so tired of seeing people deduce false conclusions from statements they don’t want to hear.

People on the Internet who refuse to consider outcomes they don’t want to be true:

He’s a Zoomer! He’s dumb!

Just for the record:

1. I’m a Millenial

2. If Reddit’s IPO fails, great! You won’t see me complaining.

I don’t see it failing, but if it does, I’ll happily be wrong.

Hey, I hope it dies too. Reddit sucks.

It really could go either way at this point though.

What’s stopping someone from scraping lemmy.world and creating another archive site?

at least I hope so.

I don’t think it will.

Sorry for refusing to participate in this extremely gay “fuck u/spez!” circlejerk, but at this point it seems clear that they won.

Oh, well. Lemmy works just fine. Can we move on now?

Spez is an abrasive asshole and, it turns out, also a moron

Is he really abrasive? I haven’t seen him say anything outside of what I’d expect an exec of a company to say.

Is he really a moron? Dude is walking away with a lot of zeros in his bank account. From what I can tell, it sounds like he’s pretty happy with the outcome.