The comments that formed the basis of the complaints against Dr. Peterson included comments on a podcast in which he commented on air pollution and child deaths by saying “it’s just poor children…”
This quote is the most disgusting out of context character assassination I’ve seen in a long time.
I got suspicious because while Jordan does say things that women and/or trans people often find deplorable. I know that he’s a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric) and as a family man I assume of children as well.
The full context can be found on Spotify. Episode #1769 of “The Joe Rogan Experience” start from about 15:30. He’s the one that brings up how 7 million poor children die from indoor particulate pollution. Joe doesn’t believe him and gets a fact check, which eventually leads to Jordan sarcastically saying “Well, it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway…”
It’s such an insane mischaracterization of what he said, you can’t take the article seriously. Probably would have to write off the entire website that article is from, honestly.
I think Jordon Peterson is a giant pile of shit, but you’re being downvoted for calling out a shitty article for misrepresenting obvious sarcasm, and that’s bullshit. Misinformation is misinformation regardless of whether or not it confirms our bias, if the Fediverse community doesn’t want to learn this it has no business pointing at misinformation on other platforms like Reddit.
How can we expect anyone to critically examine the media they consume if we fail to do the same when it suits us? Peterson is a flaming pile of pseudo-intellectual garbage, but there’s plenty of ways to prove that without intentionally taking sound bites out of context.
That and body shaming people you don’t like really aggravate me. Shit humans do shit things, attack that and leave the rest alone.
The double-standards on body shaming drive me up the wall on this website. The number of “ugly, fat, small penis” comments I see from the same people who say you can’t call a medically obese person “obese” is insane to me.
No, he’s being downvoted because he’s adjacently defending JP. If you don’t know how JP is human garbage at this point, and you’re willing to come to articles to defend him, you’re a fan. And therefore, a twat.
Edit: yes the article is BS but that doesn’t change what he’s selling.
I mean, in the other comment he then went even further beyond and actually did started to defend JP. So, you know, I guess he was right in calling him out in the end :p
You know just as well as I do that he’s cherry picking the article for inaccuracies to defend JP. Nobody is defending the article ffs.
Yea the article is shit, we already established that (and I don’t recall anyone stating otherwise in our exchanges). That’s not what we are talking about. If you continue to make it about that, you’re just as much of a twat as the idiot above.
It is if you’ve already made up your mind that Jordan Peterson, for example, is a piece of shit and therefore nothing anyone says about the matter really matters anymore.
The people downvoting him already made up their minds. They already came to the conclusion they think is correct, and so debate is no longer needed. To them, you’re needlessly drawing out an argument that has long since ended in their favor, and why would anyone do that unless they had an ulterior motive?
That’s how they think. They’re not really wrong; whether they’re upvoting misinformation or not really IS irrelevant to the grander question and that grander question is whether JP is a fraud, and to them that answer is unequivocally yes, debate over.
Don’t waste your time arguing with them. Their battle lines have already been drawn.
No matter how much of a wanker Peterson is, and I agree he is one. You should always be wary of misinformation. By spreading something so easily disproved because it feels right, you just give him ammunition to argue that people are lying and defaming him when defending himself. The bloke has said tons of stupid stuff worth criticism, focus on them.
What the hell were they supposed to say? Should they have agreed that the article was good just because JP is a PoS? Despite the clear and disgusting BS inside it? Is that really what you want?
Misinformation is misinformation and needs to be cleared up, no matter who the target is.
I don’t know how to reach these people or whether they’re reachable at all. Yes, my main motivation by a very long shot was to correct absurd levels of misinformation in a community where I believe most members care about not spreading misinformation.
What worries me is that so many people seem to be living in an echo bubble that’s radicalizing them to hate people they shouldn’t be hating.
So yes, there’s a lot of not so great things about Jordan Peterson. But all things considered he’s not that bad. And I haven’t paid attention closely for the last few years, but I wouldn’t be characterizing him as a piece of shit.
The author of the article is a worse piece of shit than Jordan Peterson. People who seem to take pleasure out of Jordan’s suffering due to his Benzodiazepine addiction are even worse.
But, looking at some of Jordan’s twitter comment, he’s definitely a bit of an asshole. But 95% of people seem to be assholes when they go on twitter.
The only really bad thing about him is his political views. But even there, there seems to be less malice and less self serving talk than most right wingers (other than the apparent or effective grifting). But even the grifting, in my opinion, is not as bad as most people (both on the left and on the right). Still, right wing ideology is a very problematic from a liberal perspective (which is my perspective). But at the same time today’s mainstream and increasingly radical left ideology is also problematic from a liberal perspective. Regardless, I still don’t think that someone’s anti-liberal social views necessarily makes them a piece of shit regardless of if they’re on the left or on the right. But it does make it easy to become one.
Sorry but I have to vehemently disagree. I find this views on transgender people abhorrent. He misgenders and deadnames people out of spite and disguises it as intellectual honesty.
His views on the role of women are outdated as hell, he disparages the humanities despite his participation in them, promotes toxic masculinity, and is a climate change denier. He holds all these views while wearing a mask of impartiality and aloofness, but his talking points are no different from and scarcely better supported than any other bigot’s.
So while I am against misinformation, I still feel quite confident in calling him a piece of shit as I believe he promotes hateful and backwards ideals.
Maybe, I don’t know. How do you know? You seem so eager to believe lies. How do you know that everything you think you know about Jordan Peterson isn’t all lies?
Because thinking in absolutes isn’t scientific. Is it possible some of the reported are lies? Sure. What do we do with that? Verify. But you’re phrasing the question in a black and white way, awfully reminiscent of petermanston himself. Do you know people wear lipstick for more reasons than signaling sexual arousal, as an example?
he’s a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric)
“Well, it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway…”
Never mind how laughable that first quote is, it is inherently incompatible with the second, since the entire Malthusian myth is based in classist eugenics
My guy, they don’t care and you aren’t going to convince them to care. This isn’t about misinformation. This is about their little civil war they’re gearing up to kick off next year. That’s all they care about because their minds are made up.
I am sorry, but I dont understand where is the misinformation? The article doesnt state nor imply that JP has said that poor children deserve to die. It stated, that that particular comment was used in a complaint against him in court. So if you are upset at the people who formed the complaint then thats fair. But why be mad at the article? They only stated what has happened, unless I misunderstood?
This is why I’ve kinda stopped consuming other people’s political writing, and only shitcomment about it. People of all stripes cannot resist the urge to make the story just a liiiiiitle better.
Good article?
This quote is the most disgusting out of context character assassination I’ve seen in a long time.
I got suspicious because while Jordan does say things that women and/or trans people often find deplorable. I know that he’s a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric) and as a family man I assume of children as well.
The full context can be found on Spotify. Episode #1769 of “The Joe Rogan Experience” start from about 15:30. He’s the one that brings up how 7 million poor children die from indoor particulate pollution. Joe doesn’t believe him and gets a fact check, which eventually leads to Jordan sarcastically saying “Well, it’s just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway…”
It’s such an insane mischaracterization of what he said, you can’t take the article seriously. Probably would have to write off the entire website that article is from, honestly.
I think Jordon Peterson is a giant pile of shit, but you’re being downvoted for calling out a shitty article for misrepresenting obvious sarcasm, and that’s bullshit. Misinformation is misinformation regardless of whether or not it confirms our bias, if the Fediverse community doesn’t want to learn this it has no business pointing at misinformation on other platforms like Reddit.
How can we expect anyone to critically examine the media they consume if we fail to do the same when it suits us? Peterson is a flaming pile of pseudo-intellectual garbage, but there’s plenty of ways to prove that without intentionally taking sound bites out of context.
That and body shaming people you don’t like really aggravate me. Shit humans do shit things, attack that and leave the rest alone.
The double-standards on body shaming drive me up the wall on this website. The number of “ugly, fat, small penis” comments I see from the same people who say you can’t call a medically obese person “obese” is insane to me.
Cite one of your many examples of being unable to call a medically obese person “obese” because of objections from people engaging in body shaming.
No, he’s being downvoted because he’s adjacently defending JP. If you don’t know how JP is human garbage at this point, and you’re willing to come to articles to defend him, you’re a fan. And therefore, a twat.
Edit: yes the article is BS but that doesn’t change what he’s selling.
Correcting dishonesty is defending someone.
What a load of shit.
I mean, in the other comment he then went even further beyond and actually did started to defend JP. So, you know, I guess he was right in calling him out in the end :p
His reasons were shit.
You’re looking to make an argument where there is none. Go outside.
You know just as well as I do that he’s cherry picking the article for inaccuracies to defend JP. Nobody is defending the article ffs.
Yea the article is shit, we already established that (and I don’t recall anyone stating otherwise in our exchanges). That’s not what we are talking about. If you continue to make it about that, you’re just as much of a twat as the idiot above.
It is if you’ve already made up your mind that Jordan Peterson, for example, is a piece of shit and therefore nothing anyone says about the matter really matters anymore.
The people downvoting him already made up their minds. They already came to the conclusion they think is correct, and so debate is no longer needed. To them, you’re needlessly drawing out an argument that has long since ended in their favor, and why would anyone do that unless they had an ulterior motive?
That’s how they think. They’re not really wrong; whether they’re upvoting misinformation or not really IS irrelevant to the grander question and that grander question is whether JP is a fraud, and to them that answer is unequivocally yes, debate over.
Don’t waste your time arguing with them. Their battle lines have already been drawn.
No matter how much of a wanker Peterson is, and I agree he is one. You should always be wary of misinformation. By spreading something so easily disproved because it feels right, you just give him ammunition to argue that people are lying and defaming him when defending himself. The bloke has said tons of stupid stuff worth criticism, focus on them.
That, and it’s just a terribly nasty thing to do.
Nothing turns my stomach more than misinformation.
What the hell were they supposed to say? Should they have agreed that the article was good just because JP is a PoS? Despite the clear and disgusting BS inside it? Is that really what you want?
Misinformation is misinformation and needs to be cleared up, no matter who the target is.
I don’t know how to reach these people or whether they’re reachable at all. Yes, my main motivation by a very long shot was to correct absurd levels of misinformation in a community where I believe most members care about not spreading misinformation.
What worries me is that so many people seem to be living in an echo bubble that’s radicalizing them to hate people they shouldn’t be hating.
So yes, there’s a lot of not so great things about Jordan Peterson. But all things considered he’s not that bad. And I haven’t paid attention closely for the last few years, but I wouldn’t be characterizing him as a piece of shit.
The author of the article is a worse piece of shit than Jordan Peterson. People who seem to take pleasure out of Jordan’s suffering due to his Benzodiazepine addiction are even worse.
But, looking at some of Jordan’s twitter comment, he’s definitely a bit of an asshole. But 95% of people seem to be assholes when they go on twitter.
The only really bad thing about him is his political views. But even there, there seems to be less malice and less self serving talk than most right wingers (other than the apparent or effective grifting). But even the grifting, in my opinion, is not as bad as most people (both on the left and on the right). Still, right wing ideology is a very problematic from a liberal perspective (which is my perspective). But at the same time today’s mainstream and increasingly radical left ideology is also problematic from a liberal perspective. Regardless, I still don’t think that someone’s anti-liberal social views necessarily makes them a piece of shit regardless of if they’re on the left or on the right. But it does make it easy to become one.
Sorry but I have to vehemently disagree. I find this views on transgender people abhorrent. He misgenders and deadnames people out of spite and disguises it as intellectual honesty.
His views on the role of women are outdated as hell, he disparages the humanities despite his participation in them, promotes toxic masculinity, and is a climate change denier. He holds all these views while wearing a mask of impartiality and aloofness, but his talking points are no different from and scarcely better supported than any other bigot’s.
So while I am against misinformation, I still feel quite confident in calling him a piece of shit as I believe he promotes hateful and backwards ideals.
Please read this: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Not only does Jordan Peterson say dumb inflammatory shit, but he’s also apparently an intellectual fraud.
He’s a horrible piece of shit regardless of what that article says.
Why?
Maybe, I don’t know. How do you know? You seem so eager to believe lies. How do you know that everything you think you know about Jordan Peterson isn’t all lies?
Because he actually says this shit out loud:
This is only a small fraction of the crap that this guy said with his own mouth/twitter account.
Wow total shocker that the dirtbag peterson lovers in this thread have no response to you.
Because of the things he says and does? Right wing nut jobs can fuck right off.
Because thinking in absolutes isn’t scientific. Is it possible some of the reported are lies? Sure. What do we do with that? Verify. But you’re phrasing the question in a black and white way, awfully reminiscent of petermanston himself. Do you know people wear lipstick for more reasons than signaling sexual arousal, as an example?
Never mind how laughable that first quote is, it is inherently incompatible with the second, since the entire Malthusian myth is based in classist eugenics
https://usfblogs.usfca.edu/sustainability/2023/04/20/overconsumption-not-overpopulation-debunking-the-overpopulation-myth-and-eco-fascism/
https://www.theworldmind.org/home/2021/12/10/the-dangerous-myth-of-overpopulation
https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2019/03/how-racist-myths-built-population-growth-bogey-man/
Imagine still jumping to the defence of this bigoted useless grifter… 🤦♀️😂
Jordan is an asshole, but misinformation is misinformation. We aren’t trying to become Fox ‘News’ here
My guy, they don’t care and you aren’t going to convince them to care. This isn’t about misinformation. This is about their little civil war they’re gearing up to kick off next year. That’s all they care about because their minds are made up.
Classic Florida Man
Yep, that’s what they are.
I am sorry, but I dont understand where is the misinformation? The article doesnt state nor imply that JP has said that poor children deserve to die. It stated, that that particular comment was used in a complaint against him in court. So if you are upset at the people who formed the complaint then thats fair. But why be mad at the article? They only stated what has happened, unless I misunderstood?
This is why I’ve kinda stopped consuming other people’s political writing, and only shitcomment about it. People of all stripes cannot resist the urge to make the story just a liiiiiitle better.
Would you throw out Nietzsche because he said one thing you disagree with?