If NASA is to a point healthy critique is considered cringe, then I doubt we’ll be on the moon for long.
You’re being intentionally obtuse. I’m obviously not calling NASA cringe and that’s not even remotely implied.
NASA is running the project, set the tenders and observing the suppliers. No one would expect anything else. Smartereveryday was largely on about culture at NASA from what I remember from that video. That and the lack of hypergolics. If NASA wanted hypergolics on the moon they could have put a requirement “must use hypergolics on the moon”. But they didn’t. That’s why all the relighting tests are being done. If the engines relight to the needed reliability then everything is fine, they have set the standards.
The Apollo project was tested live. They did all the lab tests but the real world tests were largely done with people in them. Apollo was risky as fuck and would never ever be allowed to happen now. I think some of the astronauts thought there was as high as a 50% of death. The fact you don’t know how risky Apollo was to the astronauts shows you don’t know much about this because you are using the safety of Apollo as a benchmark. Look I love Apollo but it wasn’t a high benchmark of safety.
With things like this. Testing to failure is pretty norm. NASA uses falcon 9 rockers for crew which was largely tested the same way. They obviously have faith in SpaceX because they out humans in their rockets.
Well you offhandedly gave “elon bad” memes precedence over actual critiques being offered, nobody who actually cares about this moon thing gives a damn about elon memes, so I expect to discuss the merits of the mission plan off its merits alone.
Smartereveryday was largely on about culture at NASA from what I remember from that video. That and the lack of hypergolics.
It may be a long watch but please actually watch the whole thing, he’s very well spoken and ultimately optimistic (as am I) about going back. But I am certain he had more to mention that just hypergolics. I can list a few
astronaut access to the surface
stability on landing with a high COM
number of refuels necessary given nominal boiloff
lack of a mockup vehicle for astronaut training
undemonstrated orbital refueling (no bleeding the header tank is not a fuel transfer as per flight 3)
yes the hypergolics, you don’t want to be stuck on the moon.
If these are “intentionally obtuse” points, well then welcome to aerospace engineering, its called rocket science for a reason.
And Destins point about the culture? People aren’t speaking their critiques when they’re most necessary to hear, people are afraid to speak. How does that contribute to a program which may or may not have flaws (that could be remedied), when no flaws are at least pointed out? Well look at Boeing for one.
The fact you don’t know how risky Apollo was to the astronauts shows you don’t know much about this
I mentioned Apollo 1, right? Im pretty sure I mentioned Apollo one and how they perished on the pad and it nearly stopped the program. Now if you’re going to be intentially obtuse, then I bid you a good day.
If these are “intentionally obtuse” points, well then welcome to aerospace engineering, its called rocket science for a reason.
Haha lol you are being intentionally obtuse again. I never said anything bad about NASA I never said they was being obtuse and I never said they were being cringe. You are arguing at a wall because I never made those points.
A lot of people say a lot of stupid things about Elon and SpaceX and that vastly out weighs the actual issues with this project. Of which there are real issues. Everything NASA says is assumed to be a valid issue. Again intentionally obtuse because I’m not arguing anything else
I watched that video when it came out and I can’t really be bothered watching it again.
Haha good day mate. You are trying to make a conversation out of something I’m not saying, you’re not worth talking to. If you want an imaginary conversation please have it with yourself.
You’re being intentionally obtuse. I’m obviously not calling NASA cringe and that’s not even remotely implied.
NASA is running the project, set the tenders and observing the suppliers. No one would expect anything else. Smartereveryday was largely on about culture at NASA from what I remember from that video. That and the lack of hypergolics. If NASA wanted hypergolics on the moon they could have put a requirement “must use hypergolics on the moon”. But they didn’t. That’s why all the relighting tests are being done. If the engines relight to the needed reliability then everything is fine, they have set the standards.
The Apollo project was tested live. They did all the lab tests but the real world tests were largely done with people in them. Apollo was risky as fuck and would never ever be allowed to happen now. I think some of the astronauts thought there was as high as a 50% of death. The fact you don’t know how risky Apollo was to the astronauts shows you don’t know much about this because you are using the safety of Apollo as a benchmark. Look I love Apollo but it wasn’t a high benchmark of safety.
With things like this. Testing to failure is pretty norm. NASA uses falcon 9 rockers for crew which was largely tested the same way. They obviously have faith in SpaceX because they out humans in their rockets.
Well you offhandedly gave “elon bad” memes precedence over actual critiques being offered, nobody who actually cares about this moon thing gives a damn about elon memes, so I expect to discuss the merits of the mission plan off its merits alone.
It may be a long watch but please actually watch the whole thing, he’s very well spoken and ultimately optimistic (as am I) about going back. But I am certain he had more to mention that just hypergolics. I can list a few
If these are “intentionally obtuse” points, well then welcome to aerospace engineering, its called rocket science for a reason.
And Destins point about the culture? People aren’t speaking their critiques when they’re most necessary to hear, people are afraid to speak. How does that contribute to a program which may or may not have flaws (that could be remedied), when no flaws are at least pointed out? Well look at Boeing for one.
I mentioned Apollo 1, right? Im pretty sure I mentioned Apollo one and how they perished on the pad and it nearly stopped the program. Now if you’re going to be intentially obtuse, then I bid you a good day.
Haha lol you are being intentionally obtuse again. I never said anything bad about NASA I never said they was being obtuse and I never said they were being cringe. You are arguing at a wall because I never made those points.
A lot of people say a lot of stupid things about Elon and SpaceX and that vastly out weighs the actual issues with this project. Of which there are real issues. Everything NASA says is assumed to be a valid issue. Again intentionally obtuse because I’m not arguing anything else
I watched that video when it came out and I can’t really be bothered watching it again.
Haha good day mate. You are trying to make a conversation out of something I’m not saying, you’re not worth talking to. If you want an imaginary conversation please have it with yourself.
Work on that reading comprehension, it’ll do you well.