That’s funny. My experience with lemmy is it’s overwhelmingly leftist. And anything that doesn’t reinforce their worldview is heavily downvoted. Every liberal who isn’t hanging out on lemmygrad is called a liberal as a slur or a reactionary.
The only things I’ve seen that are exclusively non-leftist is the conservative Lemmy that thinks Fox News and Newsmax is a credible source of information
The thing is that Democratic Socialism is not seen favorably by a lot of leftists, as they’re seen as being more loyal to the establishment than to revolution. Too leftist for the American Overton window, but not leftist enough for Lemmygrad types, basically
I don’t know that it’s too leftist for me - just a lot of the personalities are too much for me - i can’t listen to anymore Bernie-would’ve-won and Hillary’s-a-war-criminal 8 years later.
I also think Hillary would’ve been a great president for real, so no one likes me either.
I also think Hillary would’ve been a great president for real, so no one likes me either.
A lot of people think Biden is a great president, which shows you just how low the bar is these days. FDR had a literal plot on his life and still had the balls to rule as a socialist, and he was so popular he ended up the longest-serving president in US history.
We don’t rule in the US, we govern with the consent of the people.
But yes, FDR was the tits. And a native New Yorker. But he also was extraordinarily popular which is what allowed him to do what he did. He was also a wealthy elite with connections - his cousin was a president too.
because any criticism of Biden right now helps Trump to become president. Save your criticisms when there is an actual open primary (ie: 2027), it’s already too late for a challenge to Biden this year, as a majority of states ballot access filing deadline dates have already passed.
¯_ (ツ)_/¯ . I consider myself dem soc, I just see the necessity of pragmatism right now; when the alternative is a presidential candidate who reads Mein Kampf as an instruction manual.
I voted Biden in full knowledge very little would change because I thought we needed a cultural win against the rise of fascism here in the US.
Unfortunately, mostly through inaction, he’s aided its rise considerably. Most Americans are working multiple jobs to survive now, and housing is growing more scarce and expensive, and their grocery bills are still doubled or tripled. Trump is not going to have to lie about how bad the Biden presidency has been for the poor and middle class, and voters aren’t going to give a shit if someone’s a Nazi if they are the candidate of change.
Then, there’s social issues, like guns, or being unwilling to challenge Israeli genocide, or abortion, or police militancy, that are inextricably linked to fascism, and he’s done nothing to move the needle forward in a positive way. In fact, when Roe repeal was leaked, the Democrats used it to raise funds and nothing else, even though they had the presidency and Congress.
Long story short, I don’t know that I consider Biden a pragmatic alternative at this point. While he’s been laser-focused on sending more of our money to the war budget and keeping his embarrassing offspring out of prison, workers have suffered.
The biggest plus here is that Biden’s neglect of workers here in the US has gotten so bad its forced unions to become stronger.
Long story short, I don’t know that I consider Biden a pragmatic alternative at this point.
I get you, and you’re not wrong with the rest of what you wrote. The R’s have had a coherent game plan since Nixon and executed on it well enough (and had enough lucky accidents) to engineer exactly this kind of election.
The choice is whether or not the US continues as a representative democracy. This time it’s no hyperbole; it’s a truly binary decision for the future. And I’m afraid unless the D’s grow a real backbone, every election for the foreseeable future is going to be a response to an existential threat.
I’m already planning on their win. The historical trends point that way. Of course they won’t call themselves fascist. Their political PR people will come up with a better name, but they’re going to win, whether it’s Desantis or Trump.
And people are going to blame us DemSocs for it and not themselves.
The time to stop this was when Obama had a supermajority, and all he did with it was make health care even more expensive.
Totally agree about Obama’s well intentioned but ultimately disastrous attempt to reach across the aisle. He had two miraculous years to change it all, and blew it on trying to reconcile two utterly incompatible views of what America should be. Noble, but in the end foolish.
If you are right, it won’t really matter who takes the blame. Part of me thinks you are right, but the better part of me is still fighting.
In America, you only have two choices. If you vote for something other that democrats or liberals, your vote is literally wasted. Both choices are considered “right” or “centrum right” in most European countries, there is no “left” choice. The system is utterly ridiculous and there’s no escaping it. The most usefull thing you can do with your vote is to choose the least evil party (or join the system and change it from the inside).
In America, you only have two choices. If you vote for something other that democrats or liberals, your vote is literally wasted.
That logic is why we are where we are. A 40-year loss of personal and economic liberty, because you and yours refuse to see the two parties for what they are.
Do not vote third party under our current electoral system.
You need to either work within the current system like the Progressives do, or work to change the system to one that doesn’t fuck people over if they vote third party.
Negative, Ghost Rider.
Both Republicans and Democrats enthusiastically work together to keep us off the ballot and silenced in the media, and that includes federated media.
Dems get particularly upset when you point out the realities of Biden’s America for the working class.
That’s funny. My experience with lemmy is it’s overwhelmingly leftist. And anything that doesn’t reinforce their worldview is heavily downvoted. Every liberal who isn’t hanging out on lemmygrad is called a liberal as a slur or a reactionary.
The only things I’ve seen that are exclusively non-leftist is the conservative Lemmy that thinks Fox News and Newsmax is a credible source of information
And whatever hexbear is.
The thing is that Democratic Socialism is not seen favorably by a lot of leftists, as they’re seen as being more loyal to the establishment than to revolution. Too leftist for the American Overton window, but not leftist enough for Lemmygrad types, basically
I don’t know that it’s too leftist for me - just a lot of the personalities are too much for me - i can’t listen to anymore Bernie-would’ve-won and Hillary’s-a-war-criminal 8 years later.
I also think Hillary would’ve been a great president for real, so no one likes me either.
A lot of people think Biden is a great president, which shows you just how low the bar is these days. FDR had a literal plot on his life and still had the balls to rule as a socialist, and he was so popular he ended up the longest-serving president in US history.
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We don’t rule in the US, we govern with the consent of the people.
But yes, FDR was the tits. And a native New Yorker. But he also was extraordinarily popular which is what allowed him to do what he did. He was also a wealthy elite with connections - his cousin was a president too.
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Anyway left is globally right.
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because any criticism of Biden right now helps Trump to become president. Save your criticisms when there is an actual open primary (ie: 2027), it’s already too late for a challenge to Biden this year, as a majority of states ballot access filing deadline dates have already passed.
See what I mean?
¯_ (ツ)_/¯ . I consider myself dem soc, I just see the necessity of pragmatism right now; when the alternative is a presidential candidate who reads Mein Kampf as an instruction manual.
That’s the thing.
I voted Biden in full knowledge very little would change because I thought we needed a cultural win against the rise of fascism here in the US.
Unfortunately, mostly through inaction, he’s aided its rise considerably. Most Americans are working multiple jobs to survive now, and housing is growing more scarce and expensive, and their grocery bills are still doubled or tripled. Trump is not going to have to lie about how bad the Biden presidency has been for the poor and middle class, and voters aren’t going to give a shit if someone’s a Nazi if they are the candidate of change.
Then, there’s social issues, like guns, or being unwilling to challenge Israeli genocide, or abortion, or police militancy, that are inextricably linked to fascism, and he’s done nothing to move the needle forward in a positive way. In fact, when Roe repeal was leaked, the Democrats used it to raise funds and nothing else, even though they had the presidency and Congress.
Long story short, I don’t know that I consider Biden a pragmatic alternative at this point. While he’s been laser-focused on sending more of our money to the war budget and keeping his embarrassing offspring out of prison, workers have suffered.
The biggest plus here is that Biden’s neglect of workers here in the US has gotten so bad its forced unions to become stronger.
I get you, and you’re not wrong with the rest of what you wrote. The R’s have had a coherent game plan since Nixon and executed on it well enough (and had enough lucky accidents) to engineer exactly this kind of election.
The choice is whether or not the US continues as a representative democracy. This time it’s no hyperbole; it’s a truly binary decision for the future. And I’m afraid unless the D’s grow a real backbone, every election for the foreseeable future is going to be a response to an existential threat.
But the R’s cannot win. On this we can all agree.
I’m already planning on their win. The historical trends point that way. Of course they won’t call themselves fascist. Their political PR people will come up with a better name, but they’re going to win, whether it’s Desantis or Trump.
And people are going to blame us DemSocs for it and not themselves.
The time to stop this was when Obama had a supermajority, and all he did with it was make health care even more expensive.
Totally agree about Obama’s well intentioned but ultimately disastrous attempt to reach across the aisle. He had two miraculous years to change it all, and blew it on trying to reconcile two utterly incompatible views of what America should be. Noble, but in the end foolish.
If you are right, it won’t really matter who takes the blame. Part of me thinks you are right, but the better part of me is still fighting.
In America, you only have two choices. If you vote for something other that democrats or liberals, your vote is literally wasted. Both choices are considered “right” or “centrum right” in most European countries, there is no “left” choice. The system is utterly ridiculous and there’s no escaping it. The most usefull thing you can do with your vote is to choose the least evil party (or join the system and change it from the inside).
That logic is why we are where we are. A 40-year loss of personal and economic liberty, because you and yours refuse to see the two parties for what they are.
I’ll vote Green. You should too.
Part of the effort to keep third parties off the ballot is that you make shit infinitely worse.
It’s called the spoiler effect, and it fucks us over all the god-damn time.
Do not vote third party under our current electoral system.
You need to either work within the current system like the Progressives do, or work to change the system to one that doesn’t fuck people over if they vote third party.
If you want to get involved with actually doing that second thing, here’s a great place to start.